Ep. 107: Alien Abduction Investigations: The Alien Hunter with Derrel Sims

Brandon: Welcome back to Tinfoil Tells, I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode we're going to be joined by my guest, you may know who he is. He's often been referred to as the alien hunter. Tonight I'll be joined by Mr. Darrell Sims. Darrell has many, many years of being a investigator when it comes to the alien phenomena. Definitely looking forward to talking to him. Before we bring Darrell on, if you've ever had an experience and you'd like to be on an episode of Tinfoil Tells, there's two things you can do. Send an email to tinfoiltellspodcast.gmail.com or you can go to tinfoiltells.com and go to the contact section and send a message that way. Both ways works for me. So make sure you get a message sent to me and we'll get somebody scheduled for a future episode. If you'd like to help the podcast out, please continue to share it around. Word of mouth is one of the best ways of getting the podcast out there to do listeners. It also helps with finding new potential guests. So for everyone out there helping out, I definitely appreciate it. Speaking of helping out, I'd like to give a shout out to my buddy Greg. This interview tonight wouldn't have happened had it not been for Greg doing some legwork. There's a couple other interviews I've got coming up too that Greg's been doing a lot of help reaching out to people trying to get things set up. So for everything that Greg's been doing, I definitely appreciate that. While I'm on the end of giving out a shout out, I want to say thanks to Danny. He recently did a donation to the podcast and I definitely appreciate that. So thank you, Danny, for all of the support and everything you've been doing for the podcast. For anyone else who wants to help the podcast, you can leave a five-star rating and review wherever you listen to Tinfoil Tells at. Five-star helps with the rankings. So for anyone that does that, just know I appreciate you guys. You can also join the Patreon. There's a free tier and the paid tier. Both tiers will give you access to Crinkle Conspiracies. That is a Patreon exclusive podcast I'm doing with my friend Ed Corella. It will only be available on the Patreon. The paid tier, you'll get early access to all of the episodes once they're recorded and put on Patreon. They're all ad-free. You also get the live videos from the interviews that I've done that have video on them. So if you're interested in that, it's only $1.99 a month, so it's worth checking out. Less than $2. Make sure to follow me on all of the social medias. Facebook, Instagram X, look for Brandon Tinfoil Tells. You're on Facebook. There is now a merch store available too. So you can find information about that in the show notes. And then finally, I'll be appearing at four different events this upcoming fall. First will be Bigfoot's Brews and Spirits 2 on September 14th into Wajak, Michigan at the Sister Lakes Brewing Company. Then on September 27th and 28th, I'll be at the Indiana Bigfoot Conference. That's in Nashville, Indiana. On October 19th, I'll be at Para Unity Six in Miami County, Indiana at the 4-H Fairgrounds. And on October 26th, I'll be in Crawfordville, Indiana for the Crawfordville Paranormal Convention. You can find more information about all those events in the show notes. But I think now, it's time to bring on Mr. Sims. Definitely excited to talk to him. I was recently watching a show and he ended up popping up on it. So it's kind of interesting to talk to someone that I've seen on TV on a lot of different things. So hope you guys enjoy the conversation. Sit back, relax, enjoy the show. I'd like to take the time to welcome my guest tonight, Darrell Sims, the alien hunter, world famous. Thanks for being here. It's my pleasure to be here. My pleasure to have you. I had a couple of people recommend me to reach out to you. And strangely enough, I recognized your face, but I couldn't place it where I'd seen you on different shows or whatever. And then I was just watching a Netflix show last week and then the episode came up and I was like, Hey, that's the guy and I'm interviewing him next week. So that's funny. Yeah. But now do you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Sure. I'm Darrell Sims.

Derrel: I'm what is referred to as alien hunter. That was a moniker gave given to me by a journalist. She was interviewing me back in 1992 or 93. And she said, Oh, my God, you, you hunt them. Why? You're an alien hunter. And that's where the whole thing came from. So I said, Well, that's true. I said, I have an ex-police officer in the senior military police officer during the Vietnam War. I volunteered during the war itself and been an abductee since age four. Kept that information private and out of the off the press for a long, long time. And then my events ended 13 years later when rather violently at age 17. And after that, no further events occurred of any significance. But the problem was when I was married and we had we had a son and a daughter and a son. And my son got abducted when he was six years old. That changed me literally from a concerned father to the alien hunter. I have them that hunted me and I want to know who's doing what with my son. And things that happened to me were unmentionable. And I just I did not want that for my kids. So anyway, that's what got me into the field, so to speak, with both guns going, so to speak. And I spent two years in Central Intelligence Agency and covered operations when I was in the Vietnam War. And so I have a strong policing background and good investigative background. And so in a nutshell, that's that's pretty much where I come from and what's going on with me.

Brandon: I know you've had like many, many cases you've been involved with. And I know you have some like the artifacts that people had removed from their skin or whatever, like the implants or whatever. What is some of the weirdest stuff that you've actually have? Like did you come across the people that have removed from them? Because I actually had an interview as one of the first ones I'd done with a doctor from Greece. And someone had sent him something and he did like the scientific research on it for the compounds or whatever and how it's all put together. And he had some pretty compelling information about it.

Derrel: Let me set this up, if I may, that my investigative system, so the people will be familiar with that from the get go. Whenever I investigate a case, regardless of whether it's someone who claims to be abducted or a case of something that they found inside themselves or their doctor did that doesn't belong there, there's a whole procedure in the system that we use. And I call it my seven hats, the Supreme Court of my investigations. What that simply means is that I use a different hat for each investigation. The UFO hat that every all of us have, so to speak, is a good and a fun hat to have. But the problem is it gets fooled easily. We've had people in the UFO community come in and make up stories and fool people for years. And because we're wearing a UFO hat, it's not that discerning. It's a fun hat to have, so to speak. We all have it, but it's not a good investigative hat. So the hat that I use for investigation, the second hat is what I call my cop hat. That's the policing skill as a detective. And it's much more coherent. It doesn't necessarily believe your story. It just believes your facts. And it's a really good hat because it goes to the core of good investigative techniques. The next hat would be a medical hat. That simply means that if in your case somehow or another there was some kind of medical evidence. You have unusual cuts, scars, bruises, and so on. Or like one runner that came to me one time and he said, I've got this two inch by four inch missing section of skin on my back. And I can't figure out how that happened. I went running and I had missing time. and I had missing time, then all of a sudden I'm back and there's this two inch by four inch missing I've got a scar there. How in the world do you get a scar and not even know it when you're out running? So I said that's an excellent question. So I had some of my medical people check him as well and the medical hat is really important in that particular case because it uses a different type of logic than cops do. Medical hat like your doctor when you go in they ask you certain questions. They use a Bayesian logic. That logic is the logic that doctors use to describe ask you questions about your condition and so on and that's how they come to their conclusions about how to give you a proper treatment. Then the next hat we use out of the seven is number four which is the science hat. In other words if we removed an object from you on you in your UFO event which we have conducted 27 surgical interventions to date from India to the United States. The next thing we're going to do with that material after the medical part is done is to take that and put the science hat on so to speak and that's where it goes to the top scientists that we want to investigate it. In theory the science hat is it's really important because it's going to give us the the literal the physical makeup exactly what's there and we're going to find out whether it's whether it's real whether it's not real whether it's pencil lead that was accidentally stabbed into your hand from when you're playing with a friend with pencils in school and that's a in some cases we found that it was nothing more than pencil lead graphite that was still under your skin but because they were an abductee they thought well that has to be an alien implant that's not necessarily true that's why all these hats are important. The fifth hat is an intelligence hat this is where I was in the central intelligence agency it wants to know what's really going on and the part I don't like about that hat is it lies it lies all the time if you've been in the intelligence community that's the name of the game. In other words we call them cover stories the cover story for Roswell the Roswell crash UFO was it's a weather balloon well it's a lie it just that's not true and it was proved wrong then they created another one then another one another one and all about the same UFO story but that's what the intelligence community does they want to know what it is but they're never going to tell you what they found that's the good part about the hat is it gets past the the emotions and of what is that and oh my gosh you know I've been abducted and so on they want they're going to get to other realms of questioning that these other hats are not going to get to that's why I like that hat but I don't like the in fact that's why I quit the central intelligence agency because the lies sit number six is a Native American I call it Native American Irish Celtic cat and what does that mean it means it uses the historical uses of understandings of shamanism and those ancient techniques of their investigative circumstance from Native American to Scottish Irish because 55% of our people excuse me 45% of the people taken in these UFO events are Native American and Irish Scottish or Celtic that's just fact that is an astounding number of people in a specific genres the last hat is a spiritual hat the spiritual hat can include but it's you it's beyond the idea of religion made or hosted by mankind and it's more than psychic and intuition it's a hat that's almost never used in UFO community and I think it's a huge mistake because anybody that studies this phenomena Jean Valais is a good example not a religious man but will clearly tell you there's something going on far bigger than our science is telling us and far bigger than we can understand on the other levels and he hints very strongly it's interdimensional or even spiritual it's something beyond our purview of understanding so those seven hats are the ones they use so when people ask me a question I literally go through those hats almost immediately and figure out which hat needs to answer the question because if you're in a medical field I'm going to pretty pretty much put a medical hat on if you're in the investigative field a cop I'm going to put my cop head and so on and so on in most cases I won't use a UFO hat and the reason is because if I do and then I use statements like well I feel well that your feelings don't mean anything right about what's really going on this phenomenon that's a you're you're you're cutting your own throat so to speak and how you feel about it is that's a personal feeling but that has nothing to do with evidence or the evidentiary methods of investigation so that's number one number two is what are some of the weirdest thing I've found well this is going to get a little interesting and I think the word tin foil kind of gets it here because a tv show last year called me there about every time they want to do a series on tv shows and so on they'll come around they'll say we want to do a tv show and we're we want you to be the chief investigator and I said why me well you're giving us credit I said you're not you're not answering the question why are you calling me well because we want to study the alien phenomenon and things like that in Texas and because I live in Texas you'd think I'm automatically qualified I mean you don't even know what my background is well you're the alien hunter that's all we need to know I said no it's not it's if you want a good show to last more than six months you need to know a little more than that well we have a scientist that's going to be on there and we have a lady that's a tracker I said I would need to question him and I'd need to question her well they're a tracker and they're scientists I said you're not listening to me you don't have a clue I'm trying to help you out and save you a lot of money in embarrassment here if your scientist is not skilled in certain areas he's going to be useless the tracker I need to know exactly what she can track and what she can't track well she's professional I said you're not listening to me I didn't I you don't know anything about I will as soon as I talk to her as soon as I see her skills I'll know how good a tracker she is or not and I said would you like me to give you an illustration he said certainly I said we have a thing in Texas called the Texas Blue Dog there's another name for it's called a Texas Chupacabra I've heard of that I said you're you're never going to learn with your mouth open you learn with your mouth closed whenever you're hearing something you don't know anything about I said I'm not being rude I'm just trying to shorten this whole interview because it's not going to happen it's what do you mean I said they said so you know all about the Texas Chupacabra and I said I have one in my freezer what what what I said there you go you got your UFO hat back on you're not asking the right questions you're not doing the right thing well what is that thing I said well now I don't know I said that's why it's in a freezer because we're going to do an necropsy on it and find out exactly what it is at a university level we're going to put the science hat on and find out exactly what it is because I don't know what it is I said I've had professional hunters her friends of mine tell me oh I can tell you what that is right now I said how do you know that well I can just tell you it's a it's a it's a coat that interbred with a dog I said how can you psychically pick up all this information never have seen it never seen the body never seen anything don't know the DNA don't know any of it and automatically you know what it is you're not going to make a very good cop I can tell you that it's not going to happen and I said you're just setting yourself up for to be debunked this is well uh uh there it is and and what the amusing thing about it the man's a really good hunter he knows he knows hunting and in fact he does some of his hunting for the state of Texas and I said but you haven't seen it so you can't make a determination yet not really well I think that's what it is and I said think doesn't make fact I could think it's a it's a dead dog too and that that doesn't make it anything that's not proof of anything I said so you're not using you're not using your medical hat here and well I'm a hunter and I said you're still missing the point you're missing it but barn by 15 yards here and his wife was sitting there smiling because she's an assistant with me in the UFO field and she's been through and she's been through dozens of conferences with me and she knows where this is going and she just kind of shook her head and smiled and didn't say a word kind of looked off at the ceiling and said here it comes and so I said I'm going to do something for you I've not done for other people and he said what's that so I'm going to show you pictures of it he looks at it and says oh my god look at the teeth on that thing what is that I said well it's not a coyote I can tell you that so anyway that's that but that's typical of the kind of the way we have to you have to use my seven hats to talk to people because you don't know where they're coming from when they're when they ask things like that your the idea is not to insult people but by the same token I'm not going to let them insult my research with I feel like it's this I know it's that and I just I'm just not going to do that and then I have and I believe me I've got some very well-intentioned people one of them was a PhD on a program and he was interviewing me and he says 45 percent of people taking a Native American and Irish county oh my god he said the reason is because I said I thought this was an interview you wanted to interview well I do I said why are you answering all the questions as if you actually knew the answer well the reason they're the the aliens are picking up Native Americans is because they're all spiritual that's you don't have a clue about anything the PhD gone to school and you still don't have a clue I said you're not an investigator there's no question about that um it's what he mean I said well I said uh I am uh what some people refer to as a meatus that's part blood native and I said so what that means is uh if you know anything about Native Americans and I do a bit I said the interesting thing about them is that in the 1718 hundreds if you went on their land because you wanted to learn more about the Indians or whatever your chances of getting a really close haircut are excellent they're not going to be friendly with you not because they're spiritual but because this is how they deal with people who don't belong in their land and they deal with each other in the same brutal ways that's just the truth of it I said my people are uh referred to their enemies call us the Cherokee well I know all about Cherokee I said our enemies still call us the same thing because they don't know who we are yet I said we're our people are called the Anayun we are and that yes like I said we the term Cherokee means people who speak another speech we came from the north and came down to the south and literally took it over from the tribes that were there ago and the so-called other four civilized tribes and did a lot of a lot of interaction like that I said my point to you sir is that that's not why the alien is picking up Native Americans and he's well they're there they they go they went after the uh and and picked up the uh uh the Irish too so that that because they're spiritual I said have you ever been to uh Notre Dame no I said on the front there's a big sign there it says the fighting Irish doesn't sound very spiritual does it I said busting heads and taking names is what my people have done all their generations Scots I'm Scottish Irish Native American what do you think that means why do you think somebody like me would volunteer during the Vietnam War are you getting a hint this is what we did I didn't like the war I didn't what I don't like anything about but if we're going to go to war and our boys are going to get killed coming out of high school becoming targets for for Viet Cong is a good example I'm going to be there to make sure they at least some of them come back because I can do a lot better than they can and that's the kind of people if you're going to war you you go to win you don't go to fight you don't go to win you don't go to make a trisha you go to win that's the point get it over with get that and get back and get home with a minimum of casualties that's the point I said now that has been lost in the American thinking in the last since Vietnam and we've just been these forever wars and there's no point in it but just there's you can't do that I said so so the alien in my opinion is not picking us up because we're spiritual because we're kind we're sweet we're good we like ice cream or whatever I said it's clear to me sir that you don't have a clue what the alien's even up to historically or otherwise well they've been here forever I said as a matter of fact they haven't this particular program called abduction started about 200 years ago max maximum 200 years I said if you knew anything about the phenomenon you would already know that and again I'm not here to insult you I'm just here to let you know that you need to ask your questions and you need to be quiet because you probably don't know the answers that's probably the reason I'm here and if it isn't then I should be gone I should get you should run the show that's it because you'll probably know more about it than me that's the case I would gladly be quiet let you go ahead with your interview and talk to yourself so the basic thing about the questions is I and I try to illustrate this as well as possible in the beginning of interviews if these seven hats are all really really wonderful tools to have and when I do presentations and conferences I ask people please try on at least one of these hats while you're here put on the cop hat for just a little while just for this hour presentation this is an illustration and I said when you do you're going to learn how to ask questions and probe questions and interview people in ways that you didn't have and you're going to get answers you never thought were possible you're going to find out a lot more about the alien that you ever dreamed because the people if you ask people dumb questions like do you believe in aliens do you but that's kind of dumb because who cares whether you or me or I or anybody believe in aliens that doesn't mean anything and isn't going to give us any answers to anything at all and so we have to ask real questions like who are they why are they here when did this actually start well I've been here forever did you assume that like one lady told me oh aliens are just there there are millions of light years ahead of us and I said sweetie help me out here because I just don't get it how do you know the aliens are light years ahead of us technologically because they had these wonderful spaceships I said and they have big black eyes and they look weird that makes them superior to us why do I not believe that I said that doesn't prove anything to me in fact it brings up a whole load of questions we need to be asking what how does their morphology work where does the morphology come from are they from zeta reticuli are they from mars are they from here those are the kind of questions we need to be asking sure well they're from zeta reticuli and I said how do you have you been there lately where do you think well they told they they tell us that's what I said now if I wanted to fool you and I was from Germany but I wanted you to think that I was from China I would probably do some Chinese things to speak Chinese a little bit make you think I was from China I said my point is they're not telling you the truth well I think that I said okay think it think and believe and feel these are good terms but they don't apply to investigations because your your beliefs are going to change a bunch in this stuff because you're going to learn things that you're you weren't prepared for just like what and I said well okay let's have some fun here so the aliens light years ahead of us because they what sure well because they had these wonderful spaceships and I said okay that's that's the fair statement let's see if it's accurate or not I said so you think they're light years ahead of us because they what she's well they made her spaceships and I said do you realize that many of these alien entities have three fingers and no opposing thumb what do you mean how do you build anything without an opposing thumb and three fingers what kind of spaceships do you suppose you could build if we had to remove your thumb and one of your fingers I don't think you're going to build much of anything well what are you saying I said what I'm telling you is you're not asking the right questions That's all I said somebody built those ships for them. I totally agree, but it wasn't them That's that's a that's like saying you know, you're Your eighth grade class and go out and build a flying saucer that can fly across the universe that sounds good because They're real smart, but it doesn't there's no evidence of that. I Said so to me if I were you I would ask other questions that are more interesting like Who built him? Where did they come from? What why does he look like he does that's it when I was abducted at age four? And that entity came through the wall and I set up in my bed stunned looking at him Yeah, I said I had better questions than you're asking now She's what do you mean? I said Who is that what Little kids or they make kind of good investigators because that's right questions. She's like what and I said I looked at him I started from the top of his head notice. He didn't have any hair Looked at his big brown perfected round inch nap across black eyes Notice he didn't have a nose. He had two little pinholes. He didn't have any ears that were external He had a slit for a mouth a little tiny skinny neck He had a skinny body was about not much bigger than I was at age four and as I looked further down it was winter time, it was freezing cold had my covers around me and I Said but where his clothes See, that's question. You never asked where his clothes what clothes would that be? Doesn't he have any don't don't have a wardrobe don't they have a alien Walmart or Kmart where they can get some good clothes What if they don't need any what if that what if that's not a luxury that is in fact a position of authority if they do have something and I said When I look further at him, I noticed he didn't have any any Memory glance whatsoever. I noticed as I look further because little kids do that. They're there Look you up from top to bottom, but you don't have any clothes walk in the middle of their bedroom at three o'clock in the morning They're probably gonna wonder what you are and I noticed he didn't have a TT he didn't have a Belly button I said now I didn't know it about in what all that meant when I was four years old But as I got older and my abductions continued I began to wonder about that if you don't have a belly button, what does that mean? Well, it means you're not born you were hatched clone made or manufactured If you don't have a TT as a little kid would say Obviously wasn't male and what I could see and didn't have anything no genitalia whatsoever So as I got older every life, you don't have genitalia. You don't procreate You got here some other way These are the kind of questions you should be asking yourself real basic stuff Just look at him and notice he doesn't fit unless because he's an alien from another world Well, he's alien in the sense of where he's not normal or natural to you. But if you look at the Look at the there's seven primary alien figures that show up in the UFO field reptile Gray little gray like he was there's a taller grades a little bigger than him Which is the one if there's any implanting done. He's gonna be the one to do it. There's this reptile guy then there's this Praying mantis type guy. It's about seven and a half feet tall and then there's another guy They refer to as the Nordic. He's a human like guy about six and a half feet tall big blue eyes Looks exactly like what the Nazis wanted to be and that's where they probably got their information from and then there's another guy called Bigfoot Those seven primary entities six or seven guys are the ones I pay a lot of attention to because Every one of their DNA if you study them carefully even a cursory view of their DNA Signals to you. They're from planet Earth Now how did they get alien become alien and all this and spaceships? That means somebody got the DNA from here took it out there did whatever they needed to do with it Brought it back here to convince you that these are aliens from another planet Now there may be aliens from other planets out there. I'm not saying there aren't there may be What I'm suggesting is that the guys we're looking at that DNA comes from this planet I mean when you look at a seven-foot praying mantis, where do you get praying mantis DNA? say the reticuli Mars The moon probably not Probably you get DNA from a praying mantis on I don't know planet Earth Why would you do that because there's several hundred species here to choose from Just in the area of a praying mantis. Well, where would you get? Human DNA for for the Nordic. I don't know. I'm just gonna take a wild guess Norway. I don't know Where would you get? DNA for For a gray alien that this is a fun fun window. Could I get a list? Well alien they the grays are definitely alien from other planets. That's okay. That's I'm open to that I just prove it. That's all give me some strong evidence Well, because I know all about space I said you mean they were told a lot of things about space or that may Have been to a certain place. That's what you're not getting across to me or other investigators is If the alien the gray is an example. We looked at my I went to the native friends mine Medicine men when I was click Mahouty before he passed away we had to talk about that for hours and I said tell me about the gray alien. Who are they? And he said they're the third people from a from a Zeta reticula and I said don't feed me that crap That's that's the stuff you tell white folks You know better than that he said oh Well, they're they're the ant people they come from inside the earth That's what you didn't tell anybody that on TV We told them about the star people. That's what they want to hear and that's what sells doesn't it? I said I want to know exactly where they come from. This is what we call them the ant people I said because they used to have antenna on their head at one time if you look at the rock petroglyphs You can actually see the antenna on their head different ones fascinating but You have to look at the morphology of the alien and that we've got scientists doctors Pathologists a number of people we're doing a serious review right now on a an alleged real Honest-to-goodness alien autopsy and we're taking a very critical. Look at that It there the information is amazing whoever wrote it. It's really good stuff but the question is is it real or not and So I've sent it out to my doctors and we're reviewing it it from a very critical point of view and yay, nay or whatever and these are people who are highly adept in the field to make those determinations and Can I want to know I mean I want to know what's accurate and what's not I want all my hats on When I'm looking at something and if one of my hats doesn't have the ability to make that determination in an educated or a reasonable way If my cop hat looks at a medical evidence and it can't make a determination. I don't ask my cop out Because it doesn't know it's not qualified to make that determination If we were looking at alien autopsy type thing I don't always ask just my medical hat my medical people so to speak. Is that real or not? I have to have all my hats on because those hats can answer different questions an example One alien autopsy that actually occurred in Roswell, New Mexico I spoke last year to one of the only living witnesses who was involved in Directly or indirectly with the alien bodies and I have it on tape the whole thing It's not you're not gonna find that on them. That's not there. I didn't post it there I don't care if anybody hears it on there Doesn't matter to me because what you believe about it what you think about or what that doesn't mean anything but I have an eyewitness there so to speak so that's important to me because in asking these questions I Look, I teach how to determine where people are lying or telling the truth. Just just by watching them I teach that on a college level Usually for psychology students so they can interview people who have mental disabilities and so on who Lie or simply don't know if they're telling the truth. They don't have a clue Wouldn't it be nice if you knew that as a therapist that would be kind of an important skill I would think so Some of these type skills are the things we use when we question people you fill out our big abduction form It's like 20 pages long. That was a long form. It's designed that way on purpose like 20 pages long, that was a long form. It's designed that way on purpose. Well, I answered all the questions and I'll be checking it myself. Well, you know, it's obvious I'm an abductee. I said, I will determine that by looking at your questions, by your answers. I said, there's a number of the questions and there are trap questions that are absolutely 100% false. Now, why would I put those in there? Gather clowns that come in there and they fill out everything in the positive so they think they can fool us. And we're not beyond being fooled. That's possible. The point is, I don't care about the people who want to play games like that. I care about people who've had real experiences and really want some real honest to goodness answers. That's kind of a big deal. And I admire these abductees and contactees and people that come forward and want to find out exactly what happened. But they don't have to. They're just honest, decent people that are confused or upset and are like me whenever I was in school, in high school, I made a huge mistake after my last abduction. I went to my buddy who was an investigator with me in the UFO field back in 1965 and told him about my abduction experience. I told him my girlfriend first, you know what she did? She looked at me like I was completely, like I needed help, serious help. With the abduction back then, nobody knew what it was, nobody had a clue, nobody talked about it, there wasn't any. There was, these people knew to keep their mouth shut. So I told her and she looked at me like, use a ranch term, a calf looking at a new gate. They stand there and look at it and move their head back and forth. What is that? And she felt real sorry for me and so she took me to my friend who's a psychologist who studies UFOs by the way, but he didn't know anything about abduction. He didn't know this kind of stuff was going on. It had gone on for me since 1952. I knew about it very well, but I didn't even tell my parents. My mother, 96 years old, at 92 I finally told her I was an abductee, plainly. And she's, why did you not tell me this before? I said because I don't like that horrible looking Blue Radley look on your face. And I certainly didn't want to see it when I was four years old, when I was telling the truth. So in a nutshell, we went to my friend, the psychologist and I thought, well, okay, I'll be glad to talk to him. I'll tell him, he's a UFO guy. He'll understand perfectly. You got to understand, he may be a psychologist, but he's got a UFO hat on. There's a lot of things it doesn't get. And he may have a UFO hat, but he's gonna put his psychology hat on real quick. He's never heard of an abductee, never seen one, there ain't one, they don't exist. And you had a terrible, terrible dream. And he told me that story and I looked at him and looked at her and I said, okay, that's the best answer you can give me. Well, Darrell, that's the truth of it. See, you've had this terrible experience, this dream that affected you so poorly and so badly that you have to understand that's what that was. And I said, okay, could you answer just a couple of questions for me? He said, yeah. I said, how can you be traumatized from a dream? Number one. Number two. I said, before you answer that, I've got a couple other illustrations. I said, my door in my room, which is right next to my mom and dad, it's a remodeled old barracks is what it was. That's all we could afford at the time. Whatever they were came in and kicked the door in, broke the lock off and the lock fell on the door, fell on the floor and the door was basically broken. And my mom and dad next to me in the next room never heard a word. My sister in the room next to me, she never heard a word. Nobody heard anything, but the door was destroyed by when they came through and came after me. That's number one. Two is with this crick in my neck. I have a serious crick in my neck where they grabbed me and so on. How does, which I didn't tell him this because I didn't know at the time, but I know now that I've had been checked out medically. I've got broken ribs on one side of my body from that event as well. It's like when a contactee lady told me, Darrell, you just don't understand. They healed you. I said, sweetie, you don't understand. They're the ones that did it. What part, that's just because they're covering it up doesn't mean they, that means like, if I beat you up real bad, but I take you to the hospital and get you all bound up, I didn't commit a crime, right? I said, why am I not believing that? You're not making any sense. So anyway, my friend, my friend or the psychologist, I broke my relationship with him at that point that I realized he didn't have a clue. He didn't even have good psychological answers for me. My girlfriend, who I thought to her love, still do. She's a wonderful woman. I never married her. And that was one of the big reasons. I don't stand there and tell you the truth, literally put a stack of Bible there, put the hand, tell you the truth of exactly what happened to me and show you physical evidence of the event was real. And then you stand there and tell me, I dreamed all of it. I said, if my room, if I broke my own door, my own room, how did I do that? Since the door opens from the outside inside from the hallway into the new room, how did I get up in a dream? Sleepwalk, walk outside, kick the door, make my mom and dad stay awake, sleep and my sister stay asleep, break my door, go back to bed and not even realize that. And then dreamed about these five entities that came into my room. How did I make all that up? That's pretty good story. And it's a story that I have more physical evidence of that event than most of the abduction events that I've talked to people on, period. More physical evidence of that event actually occurred because now I know how to look for evidence even years ago. So that's kind of the truth of why, where I came from and how my abductions occurred and why I look at things. Of course, the big reason or how did you become an alien hunter? The answer to that is real simple. They got my son. I woke up at 2.30 or three o'clock in the morning. I think it's around 2.30, I could be wrong. And I instantly knew because there's a sense that abductees and contactees sense whenever the alien is near them. They start breathing. I mean, they freak completely out because they've known that feeling before, they're familiar with it. And I sat up in my bed and I realized they were here and I ran as fast as I could down the hallway of our large home because I knew my son was not in his bedroom. I knew it was him that had been taken. I knew my daughter was still in the room. She was still there. I knew that. I ran into the kitchen and there in the dining room and there's my son, six years old, looking out the back door in the deep trance. My son doesn't sleep well, by the way. Never has, none of us have. So he's standing there looking out the back door for a long time. I keep looking at him. Finally I said, David, what are you looking at? He said, the little red light there. Little red light is a screen memory. There is no red light out there. It's to keep him in trance. He was supposed to go back and get in bed and nobody was supposed to know anything. But I did. And about that time, my wife walked up. Now this poses a real problem. I'm looking at my son who just got abducted for the first time at age six. She looks at me, he looks at him, looks back at me and says, what's going on? I've never told my wife I was an abductee. Now we've been married for eight years and I'm just now letting her know. Needless to say, she's not a happy camper. Now one of our kids, maybe both of them are gonna get taken and there's nothing anybody can do about it. She's not a happy camper. And I mean, telling people all about aliens at three o'clock in the morning, after your kid just got abducted is not exactly what you wanna do. That's not a good way to continue your relationship. Well, my son, very smart, he went in and devised, he took my bow and arrow and devised a makeshift crossbow. A crossbow is a bow that's pulled back and it's got a lock on it so the arrow is there so they can just touch it and get a fire. You don't have to stand there and hold it. He had it pointed at his door. I wonder why he did that. He was so traumatized by the event. He remembered lots of things about the event. He was so traumatized by the event that he set up a broadhead arrow, which is an arrow with a large razor point like that. The razor blade sticking out of the side is made by the Fred Bear Company Fred Bearer Company for bear hunting and deer hunting, and it's designed to cause maximum amount of damage to someone once it hits them, an animal is an example. He intended to make sure the alien got shot when they came back in that room, if they ever came back. That was the bad dream experience that he had. So, I knew he'd been taken, and in fact, he later told me, he said, Dad, now imagine your kid, six years old, telling you something like this, or walking down the street, talking, shooting the bull, having a lot of fun. And he says, my consciousness has been changed. I said, what do you mean, baby? He says, I no longer care for people like I used to. In other words, somebody had tampered with his conscious, altered certain aspects of his emotional state. And we talked about that for a while, and I did not want to work with him because I didn't want to know. And he begged me to, my wife did, everybody begged me to work with him, but I finally did, and I found out the whole story. So much of his story was like mine, I was horrified. I'd never told anybody about my stuff, and here he is describing my own events that happened to him, the same way. So I was kind of mortified. That turned me from a concerned daddy, whose son might be having bad dreams, to the alien hunger, that I know the real, and I know they're coming. I know they, I even investigate in cases when I was in the CIA, not for the CIA, but for myself, because I met abductees while I was in the company as well, in the CIA. And nobody is immune. We have people, if you ask, who are your abductees? The names, the kind of jobs they have, well, they're carpenters, housewives, kids, children, babies in some cases, older people, CIA. I've got three NASA engineers that are my abductees right now. That's right, NASA engineers. It doesn't make any difference who you are. If you're on the list, you're gonna get taken. They don't care when you're an engineer or when you're a genius, or we have people that are literally genius level, literally. We also have people, I've wondered often why the alien never picked them, because I wonder how they could find food. And they're not that brilliant. And so it's amazing, the alien's mechanism, or rationale for abducting certain people. It isn't because you're high intelligence. It isn't because you're spiritual. It isn't because you're 19 different things. They have their own agenda, so to speak. And that's just the truth of it. And whether one likes that or not, that's the bottom line. But basically, I'll shut up here if you've got other questions. I've discovered at least six reasons why, that's exactly more now, six, eight, I got eight now, nine, reasons why the alien abducts people. And it's not casual, it's not accidental. It's much more than that. It's very, very specific. And they know what they're doing. And they're doing it for someone else. They're not doing it because they wanna know. They're made, hatched, or manufactured by someone else who's running the show. And that's the real truth of it. And you're not gonna read that on the internet.

Brandon: Lots of questions, but I don't wanna ask a whole bunch. Sure you do. Um, now, like you said, you have seven, eight, nine reasons as to why they're doing what they're doing, who they're picking and everything. Do you wanna explain some of what those reasonings are?

Derrel: Sure, I'll be glad to. I would like to set this up for entertainment reasons because talking heads is not really that interesting unless there's a fun story behind it. I'll put a fun story in here. It's a true story. I was at a conference in Las Vegas and Dr. Carla Turner, for those of you who remember her, when she passed away, one of the best investigators in the UFO field in many, many years, dear friend of mine, she came to the conference and was sitting in the crowd and I was speaking. And I said, there are at least seven reasons why the alien, I said six. Six reasons why the alien takes you. And as I was doing my presentation, some lady stands up in the crowd and screams, prove it! And she was really angry. She had never heard anything like this and anything new had to be obviously wrong. And I mean, the top speaker hadn't said it, so it must be incorrect. And I said, no, I'm actually correct about this stuff. And I'm gonna give you the reasons I gave her and the crowd. I said, there are six reasons. She kept interrupting, screaming. She was not loud, she was screaming. No, that's wrong. I said, two of the reasons. I said, I'm gonna give you three sets of two. One of the reasons, once the first set, is science and technical. I said, when I say science and technical, I mean, they don't care how much science you know. They don't care if you're a PhD. They don't care if you understand the quantum entanglement. They could care less about that. They know more about it than you do. They're not gonna learn anything from you. That's not why they're here. If you think that, you're only about 50 years behind them. I said, so the science and the technical field, I'll give an example, is an example here. In the technical field, one of my abductees told me, well, he said, he looks like Grizzly Adams. He literally does. If you ever saw him, the sea smell, but he looked like Grizzly Adams overall. This is what he looked like. Well, I'm not, there's nothing special about me. I said, that's a bunch of malarkey. I said, you're a computer genius. I know it, and you know it, and you're not gonna tell anybody. But I know enough about you in your background to know that I'm not only correct, I'm more than correct about you. I said, you are, what you are technically from to the casual observer's point of view, you're an apartment maintenance manager is what you are. You've fixed washers and dryers. You've fixed electric light bulbs and things like that. That's what you can do, but that's not who you are. That's your computer genius. But what he didn't know that I knew, and others are barely finding out about him now, even after his death, his intelligence community was really interested in him. His ideas were so far out there and so far, and when he got abducted, they really got interested in him because some of the stuff that he came back and talked about, which we don't have time to hear, was so effective that they, in one experiment, we had some very good authority. In one experiment, they took a bolt, a bullet or what do you call it, a metal object, and put it in the mechanism that he had designed based on what he saw inside that UFO. When that thing powered up, it fired the bolt or bullet or whatever you wanna call it. It blew, it came through the wall of the, concrete wall of the building. They found it like 21 miles away. I think they call that a rail gun, something like that. So like I told him, don't tell me you're just a stupid little maintenance man. Don't, there's nothing wrong with maintenance men. I've got great respect for them. I got friends that are maintenance men, but don't tell me that's the height of your entire career. I know you and I know my phenomena much better than you think I do. That was the science end of it. But again, they didn't care about, what they care about is not your science and technical. What they care about is that you process data differently than other science and technical people. You think differently. That's what they're interested in. They don't care about your science or your technical. Then I said, then there's another, the next step, the next two are spiritual and cyclical. I said, now this is interesting because a lot of UFO people, I don't like talking about religion. I don't like talking about spiritual stuff. Well, it doesn't matter. If they're interested in it, you better be interested in it if you want to study the phenomena. Don't be dense, stupid, literally. You're cutting yourself out of the picture. They're not interested in Gene Dixon. Dixon. They're not interested in the famous psyche when I was a kid. They're not interested in Billy Graham. They don't care about that. That's not the point. They're not interested that you're the top person in the field nationally or internationally. They don't care about that. They care that you think differently in your field than anybody. When you put these people in the mix, they're different. They may sound like psychic and they may sound very spiritual and all that. They're very good at that. I understand that. But there's something else going on that they probably don't know themselves. The alien does know. He's been following your genetics for some time. Then I said the last two, I said I'll mention to you, I said I fall in that category myself. And a lady screamed, what is it? She was really obnoxious. Everybody was really mad at her. And I said that people who fall into the last two learn things physiologically or psychologically with little or no training. She yelled, stood straight up in the crowd and said, brevet. I said, okay. I said, if you think you're interrupting me, you're making a huge mistake. I said, I like a challenge. And I said, now you've opened a can of worms. I said, at the time, I was a third degree black belt in the Shotokan in Kyokushinkai Karate. Now I'm a fourth. So what? Lots of people got black belts in the martial arts? I said, yeah, but this is not like Taekwondo where you can order your belt in advance and pay for it. I swear to you, I've never had a teacher. So what? I said, I have a master's level in the NLP. I'm a hypnotic anesthesia therapist. I have a master's level in hypnotherapy. What's that? I said, that's people that certify people who are hypnotists. Do you actually think I went to school for all this stuff? I said, this is where you're more wrong than you can even imagine. I said, it's not that I'm smart or I'm particularly unusually good. That's not the point. If you think that you missed the whole point. It's that I think differently. I put things together differently than other people, not better, not bigger, not whatever, just differently. And that's for some reason seems to interest the alien. And she said, well, what else? And I said, if I tell you a bunch of other stuff, you're just going to say, well, you're just making it up. You can't prove any of that. I said, I didn't bring all my certificates and all that with me. But I said, I can assure you I can. I like a challenge. I said, let's have some fun. She said, okay. I said, have you ever heard of fire walking? She said, yeah. I said, I've heard people walk over fire before. So what? I said, I taught myself how to walk over fire when I was 13 years old, maybe right at 14. Tony Robbins was in diapers when I was that age. I didn't go to Tony Robbins, who learned from Tolibar Khan himself. I didn't learn that from him. I simply read about it one time in a book about Japan and decided to go test it and try it myself. I said, now. She said, well, what else? I said, oh, I'm not finished. Wait a minute. I said, I've also, for New Mexico State University, demonstrated running and walking, running literally fast over broken glass that I broke in front of everybody. I said, now, here's my point. If the hotel here will allow it, we can build a nice big fire out there on the area. I'm sure there's plenty of people to drink here. We can break a bunch of whiskey bottles, beer bottles, and all kinds of stuff. I'll make a bed of glass out there, four inches thick, and we'll walk over it. I'll walk and run over it and do all kinds of things. I said, then I want you to do it. Well, I don't know how to do it. I said, I can pass my immunity to you. I said, you're so far behind the power curve. You don't have a clue. She sat down and never said another word. I said, if you want to do that, let's do it. If you don't, sit down and shut up. And she did. She shut up. Carla Turner laughed and laughed. She said, man, she said, that's the best presentation. I couldn't believe it. I said, well, I've not had many people challenge me in a conference like that before. I said, she really had it in for me. And in fact, that woman followed me around for years at conferences. She would follow me around and tell everybody I was a fraud, a liar, a fake, and everything. I said, you know, it'd be great. When are you going to prove it? When are you going to do that? I've conducted 27 surgical interventions on the alleged alien implant. If I were a fraud, a liar, a cheat, and everything else, that had caught me on doubt a long time ago. Kind of hard to fake a surgery. Kind of hard to fake hard evidence with scientists. Kind of hard to do that. Once we've had our research looked at by Stanford University, MIT, Los Alamos, New Mexico Tech, York University in Toronto, kind of hard to fool them all. You kind of have to be truthful and real. Otherwise, when NIDS is the one that sponsored our second set of surgeries, the National Institute for Discovery Science, the Bob Bigelow, they paid $10,000 for next three surgeries. That's how impressed they were with it. So that's the fun story of the six things why they pick you up. It's not because you're a scientist or you're technical or you're a genius or you're a wonderful minister of the gospel or you're some psychic or something like that. That's not it at all. It's that you process the data differently than other people and they understand that clearly. You may not, I may not, we may not, but they know. They get it. I don't know how much

Brandon: more time you got, but I did have a couple more questions that were far away. Does your son still have any experiences with him? Are they still abducted or that stopped him?

Derrel: In my opinion, his experiences have still occurred. I don't know how often because I have not been around him for the last few years a lot, but when he went to Brazil, when he was married and had a Brazilian wife, true story, hand of God, you're not making any of it up. This was told to me by his wife and her mother. In Brazil, housing is extremely expensive. So it's not uncommon for the relatives, two or three relatives to live with you in your home. And so David and his wife lived with her mother and they had a little room and that was their home basically. And they heard her mother and his wife heard some unusual noises in the bedroom. In the middle of the day, David was asleep, taking a nap. And they kept hearing these weird noises like struggling. And so they opened the door. Their words not mine. Some huge black figure, clothed in black, was on top of David choking him. And David was entranced or incoherent and was struggling to breathe. And it turned and looked at them when they came in the door, not bothered at all that they were there. He said in the most foul language you can imagine to get out, which they instantly slammed the door. I said, you left my son in there? And they said, yeah, what do you think we're going to do? We could be next. And anyway, my son survived it. But that's just one event. The aliens are here to save the planet, fix it. It was on hold. Really? When are they going to start doing that? Did they describe what it looked like face-wise or did they not see it? They did to me. And I kept that information private. And I've kept some of the, all the entities that were in my last event, I kept private. I never described them because they were not the alien. They're the ones who hatched, cloned, made, or manufactured the alien. They're the boss. They're in charge. You will rarely ever see them in UFO history. And I've never described them because every time I go to a UFO conference, people always come up and say, oh, Darrell, I heard about you on the radio with that wonderful tin foil hat guy. And that was really interesting. I had an experience just exactly like it. I said, really? Well, why don't you just describe those entities to me? Well, they had long hair, beautiful white long hair, and they had these white long hair and they had these white robes and I was sitting at this table. I said, I already saw the Star Trek version on TV. It's not them. They're not even close. You're not going to find them in UFO books. You're not going to find them on TV, on Star Trek. And my wife's a Trekkie and they're not in, they're not, it's not them. I said, you, we're so far behind the power curve. We don't even know where to start. We're still arguing about who the alien actually is. Who's in charge? The mantis or the, the grays? Exactly. Who is it? You know, we need to figure that out. Well, in about 50 years, you might, if you continue using a UFO app to ask the questions. So it's a, it's a police technique we use. An example of this, sometimes police will, they'll have a serial murder or a terrible murder. Like someone was stabbed 27 times and then you'll get these people, believe it or not, they'll call in and say, I did it. I killed that woman. I'm sorry. I did it. It was terrible. How'd you do it? Well, I stabbed her. How many times? It was so many. I went in crazy and I just kept stabbing. So I, I don't know. Okay. How did you, how did you do it? Show me exactly how you did it. And I said, I stabbed and stabbed and stabbed and I just, I just couldn't, it was horrible. And the cop just sits there and laughs, you know, into himself because he knows that guy didn't do it. Whoever did it was left-handed. You don't want to tell people they were left-handed and they used a pair of scissors. You let them, I used a big butcher knife. Well, it wasn't a butcher knife, a pair of scissors. And you were left-handed. You're right-handed and you used a butcher knife. Why do I think that that's not a true story? These people are mentally off and they'll confess to anything to make themselves famous. They're five minutes of fame on TV. This isn't true. So keeping certain elements and Bud Hopkins was good about this as well. There are certain elements in the UFO phenomenon. You keep quiet totally. That's when people have really unusual events or really great landslide gays. And it's similar to the evidence that you already know that you've been keeping quiet. How do you think you double check them or triple check them? Well, with cases that you already know well about that no one else knows anything about. So if it happened to them, how would they be making up the identical exact same things? They wouldn't that have to have the same event.

Brandon: That makes sense. Yes. So before we end this, I do have to ask the question about the whole who they work for everything else. Like you said, the DNA and everything comes from Earth, like for all the different races or whatever. So the things that they're working for, are they not of this Earth? Are they more going throughout the Wu side here, but the interdimensional? Because that has been tossed out here so much lately.

Derrel: Yes, yes, I agree. That's a great question. I think you're going down the right direction and it says a good deal about yourself. I think it's a great question. One of my questions after my last event was who are these guys? They weren't the aliens. They certainly were representative of that genre, that effect, but that wasn't who they were. And that was absolutely stunning to me. And I've only found eight people who accurately described one of those entities ever. And when they did describe it, I can tell you that the side effects they had from their event, one of my side effects with broken ribs from what they did to me. But in these other cases, Grand Mo Epilepsy was one of the people. A guy, he was probably six foot four. He looked like one of the best football players you ever saw. He looked like the mountain of a man. Black men. Avoided me for three days at the conference and this was in California. And he avoided me for three days. I didn't spot abductees for a mile because they'll often avoid you. If you're too close to that picture, they don't like that. And I'm loading everything up, getting ready to go back to the hotel and go on a flight in the morning. And he says, Mr. Soames, and I turned around and it was him. I said, well, how are you doing? I said, you've been avoiding me for three days. He said, yes, sir, I have. I said, you have any idea why? He said, I just have one question to ask you, sir. I said, please do. He said, do you have a pen and paper? And I said, I do. And I pulled out some paper and handed him a pen. He starts drawing one of the entities that was in my last event. Drawing it. I had the drawing. He said, I want to know if you've ever seen anything like this, sir. And I said, let me have the pen, sir. And I finished the drawing. And he said, these words before he literally ran out of the building. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. And he ran away. That's the effect those beings are going to have on you, different from the alien. You're going to wish that event had never happened. They're not friendly. And they're not here to save your planet, fix your ozone hole, or anything else. And neither is the alien. Although they'll tell you stuff like that to get you interested. But the fact is, someone told me, they said, well, according to the, there can be millions of races out there, aliens. And I said, now that's absolutely true. I said, I don't, I'm not arguing that. I said, I haven't been everywhere. I don't, I haven't been in an outer space all over the place. I don't know the answer to that. I said, according to ancient information, I said, I've been to India. And the information that I've read and studied there, they said there's over 200,000 races out there of aliens. I don't know. I don't know how they know that. But let's assume that's true. I can't tell you who they all are. I can only say the following. And I can say it with great clarity. There may be 200,000, there may be a million races out there. But I'm telling you that the beings that are here on this planet doing what they're doing are not doing it for any good reason. And in my opinion, there are at least two groups of the good guys, the bad guys. And they fall in two different categories. I said, if you study the ancient material that Sitchin is so famous for, the Sumerian documents and others. And I said, I've done a lot of work on Sitchin and people like that. And found out that in my opinion, he probably was not a Sumerian scholar. If he was, he definitely was at the bottom of his class, because he could not interpret Sumerian and Hebrew correctly. And I went and found a Sumerian scholar who also studied his work. So the man didn't know what he's talking about. He makes his stuff up and tells people and they don't question him because they don't speak Sumerian. They don't know how to read these tablets. So therefore, he's correct. And he never took questions in his interviews. He just said stuff, told people you're too stupid to understand. That's why I'm a Sumerian scholar and you're not. And so I set up a meeting between him. I set up a meeting with my friend who is a Sumerian, Ugar Tic and Hebrew scholar and a PhD professor. And I set up a talk called Art Bell, because he's a friend of mine. And I said, I'd like to have a meeting between Sitchin and my friend, this scholar, Dr. Mike Heiser. And I'd like for Mike Heiser and for Sitchin to bring a proctor on. A proctor is a person who you both consider equal to you or more and you totally accept him as truthful. You know what Sitchin's people said about that plan? We will never allow Dr. Sitchin to ever come on a program and debate anybody. I said, the only reason you don't debate people is because you already know the end result of that. That's what I already knew when I started reading some of his books and realized he couldn't even properly translate. He says the Hebrew, from the heavens they came. That's not exactly what it said. I said, it's closer to the fact they got kicked out, not invited to leave, kicked out. And they're not real happy about that. Whoever they are, they're super beings. There's no question you can call them angels. You can call them the Watchers. Call them all kinds. They're different names in history or what they were called. Whatever they are, whoever they are, these people are not friendly to you and they're not interested in taking over your planet. They could have done that a thousand years ago if they wanted to. You don't have the tech to stop and in fact to show you how advanced they are. You can't even back engineer the craft you got out of Roswell. You're still having problems with it. They have a science and a physics that is different than your physics. They have a science and a physics that is different than your physics It's a it's a level higher. It's like you're like grade school physics. They're like in the university of it So, you know, that's the reason we're so far behind power curve because we can't figure things out. The last thing I'll say Dr. Bob would who's one of the smartest people in my opinion in the UFO world came to me at a where I was on TV program and In this program We were in Sedona we took a break because it was so hot and everything and we've taken a coke break and all the talent and the TV people went over to get their drinks and Dr. Bob would looked at me and said Darrell could I speak to you alone for a moment? He said I understand you were in the company. I said I was that's the CIA and he asked me about certain things there and I Answered him truthfully and best I could and then he said I have one other question and it's real important that you answered this for me I said I'm happy to do so sir. He said how far Past us is the alien in technology And I said I'd really rather not answer that question sir I said I work here not want to get lapped clean off the stage and By that time everybody had already was coming back and they were hearing that question He said I want to know what you think And that's well, there's probably not a lot of people that do and he said well I do How far ahead of us is the alien? I looked at him and everybody's standing there listening I said no more than 15 to 50 years ahead of us and Everybody there every person every UFO person that everybody busted out with the biggest belly laugh You ever had ever heard your life Except two people weren't laughing me and dr. Bob would and Bob would looked at me and said Everybody shut up and he spoke. He said those are the exact figures that I came to He said how did you how did you come to those figures? Daryl and I told him I said when I was aged 12 I got what was referred to as an alien implant. I was conscious when it happened They didn't realize I had a hot mic to them In other words, I was listening to them when they told me you can't hear you. You won't feel anything and all that Well, I did and I heard everything that we're talking about in detail That's why I know so much about theater now because I'm smart But because I owe eavesdropped I learned how to eavesdrop on them when they abducted me when I heard things I wasn't supposed to I said in a nutshell I've Listened to everything they were talking about meditation They were going to do to me and why and I broke down started crying as a kid there but I said why would they do that to me, I've never honed anybody in my entire life and When I went to college and make sure the same University one of the things I studied is an advanced Psychology class and some medical stuff. I wanted to find out If that what I overheard was true and real and I found out it was and as I studied it, I was amazed there were no more than 15 to 50 years ahead of us and everybody was real quiet and He looked at me and he said I said well, I want to write you because I wanted his answer in writing I didn't want it. He I said he said that sort of thing I wanted it writing so I wrote him and he wrote me back in detail and Said as you know, the reason you are all interviewing me was because I have actual Hardcore not copies of the evidence actual letters of the evidence of the back engineering at the Roslyn UFO And I said that is correct. He said there are no more than 15 to 50 years out of us. Those were the exact Figures that I got from my research That's well, that's two of us. I said I don't think the rest of your pro community is gonna go along with that but Nice to know I'm in good company here. That is

Brandon: When anyone thinks of aliens or anything like shipped again, that's like you said earlier light years ahead Everyone thinks are so far more advanced or whatever just because Because they can't comprehend that that technology is not so much further than what we're at. Maybe the ships are

Derrel: Like years ahead of us, but the ships are not the alien as we know them we see them. I mean I'll give your audience a hint if they're interested if they're not that's fine, too The ship is attached To the biology of the person belonging you don't have to there is no steering wheel in the in the UFO There's no gear ship her second third and fourth and light speed There is one they're so simplistic and that you do you look at news like that. This is not possible inspecting the big spaceship like on Star Trek, there's light speed Phase four and all that that sort of thing. There isn't one like that. It's attached to the Cause it's attached to the neurology of the alien that's sitting there. That's how it flies it So it's not so much how much he knows It's how it's attached to him If you've got an alien body and he's alive You can easily fly in your foe with him You'd have to control it he could fly it if you try to back engineer it you're probably gonna have some real difficult time

Brandon: I guess that's More my brain wanders to is where these things are being engineered from like where they sure Where is it getting engineered at? Where is it coming from? What are they like? Clearly there's a purpose on their end of what they're wanting to do and why they're here and what they're doing with it But like my curiosity is where is it coming from and what is making it like? Controlling things and everything. It's like when you start to go down these rabbit holes, let's you get questions and answers

Derrel: That's true. And that one of the answers I do give people and I love to give people information They can go research do on their own. Don't take my word for it. Go do your own homework there is a NASA and then a scientist whose name was Forget his name here, but I'll tell you about his book his book is it costs about three hundred dollars But you can get it free on the internet if you look at it's called ringmakers of Saturn and In his book he goes into great detail Describing where the alien is at it's in the rings of Saturn and there is well, that's all crazy NASA never admit that I was invited to a meeting at the JPL jet propulsion lab in in California Los Angeles area They know who I am why they invited me I have no clue and there were Probably a couple hundred engineers especially scientists. They're listening to the program. The new program is called the Cassini project Cassini was the first nuclear powered spacecraft. We were going to send in space and we're going to send it out by the Jovian system the by Jupiter Mars and Jupiter and Saturn and all that and Amazing Research it was done with that thing. I wonder why they call it Cassini and I asked him that in that meeting They got real quiet said You could heard pin drop after I asked my questions You could heard a pin drop on the carpet and they said free drinks and gifts back for everyone back the room They just looked at me glared. They knew who and why would you invite me that meeting? The reason I say there's Cassini project was interesting to me and why they invited me there Perhaps guess where the book ringmakers of Saturn guess where the alien is What ring? The alien is in and you can actually see it if you've got powerful enough telescopes to see it the Cassini ring

Brandon: Give me a little hint

Derrel: curious go look go check it out yourself and Remarkable and just type in the word ringmakers of Saturn. That's the scientists and And read It gets real technical real quick, but you can get a telescope. You don't want to be technical and Take your UFO hat off throw it aside and put your science hat on for a second And look at the rings of Saturn and you'll notice that it's not like It's not like the rings Are just debris fields? per se It's like his thesis that scientists thesis is Someone is making the rings of Saturn and in his it in his scientific opinion You can see them making the rings of Saturn that the Cassini ring and so on it's being added to it's not disappearing They're not using it for fuel Something else is going on. I don't know what it is. I have no idea Just telling you what the man said. I'll definitely look into it good man

Brandon: But, well, mr. Sims, I want to say thank you very much. It's been a pleasure talking with you. It's, uh, I always enjoy talking with people that have had lots of experience like researching and investigating and everything else. It's always nice to hear the knowledge that someone has behind it. I interviewed a lot of people that have had experiences like with abductions or paranormal or cryptid where, but I don't often get to talk to someone that's actually had many years of research into this and looking into the things and investigating it. So I do enjoy talking with people.

Derrel: Well, that's a, you're a smart man. And I believe me, God has not put any premium on ignorance. So people believe that then they're, they're going to get real fooled. Uh, I like smart people. I'm sure God does too. And, uh, it's a, it's a pleasure to speak to people who inquire. We all need to know this is a, this is a world issue and it belongs to the world, not to researchers, not to scientists, not to CIA, not the Mossad, not to KGB, but all of us. This is a, an issue that affects all of us.

Brandon: Do you want to let anyone out there listening where they can find your information at, or reach out to if they have any questions or anything they want to get in contact with you? Thank you for that.

Derrel: Uh, you can reach me at the alien hunter.com and you can click at the bottom of that and it'll on alien hunter and it emails me. Now answer all your questions that I can for free. I answer all my emails. If I'm slow, it's because there were a lot of people asking questions. It's not because you're being ignored, but I don't do that. I answer all the questions and I have people from the intelligence community who are abductees to doctors, lawyers, nurses, all kinds of people writing me all the time because they don't know where, where are you going to go? If you're a doctor, you're going to go tell your medical staff about your latest UFO experience. That's a career ender. I wouldn't do that. So if you want to contact me, you're welcome to do that. I have only two books written. And, uh, when there's evidence of light and it, because the alien sees an infrared ultraviolet X-ray and visible light at the same time. When you say I was in the abduction experience, it was like they were scanning me. They were, they were. That's why they didn't have to have the equipment there. They can do that. It's their eye covering is nothing but a lens for that purpose. So the book has written the alien hunter evidence of light. It's about my own experiences and how I found evidence. If you get the book, it's not a book on entertainment. I didn't write it for that reason. I wrote it so that you could follow it and find your own evidence. That's the point. The second book is on alien implants. If you have an implant or think you do, it's a good book to give because you're going to learn a lot about implants and you're going to find out a lot of stuff on the internet. That's not accurate. Everybody doesn't have an implant just because they got abducted. Just ain't true. I look at hundreds of X-rays every year. Most of them do not contain an alien implant.

Brandon: I'll make sure to include a link in the show notes. So when anyone listens to the episode, all they got to do is scroll down and click, it'll take you to the website and get in contact with you. I appreciate you.

Derrel: And you're, like I said, a smart man and I inquiring minds need to know. I totally agree. Yes.

Brandon: I appreciate you coming on here and talking with me tonight. It's been a pleasure. Thank you, sir. Yep. Thank you. Have a good night. Bye bye. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoy the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on 10 foil tells, remember to send an email to 10 foil tells podcast at gml.com or go to the contact section of 10 foil tells.com. So get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for future episode. And just remember the truth lies in the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open-minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone.