Ep. 49: UFO Sighting and Signs From His Late Father: uNcomfortable Conversations

Brandon: Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. Tonight, we're gonna be joined by my guest, Eric. Eric is the host of Uncomfortable Podcast. I was just recently on a episode of his podcast. Now he's gonna come on here tonight and talk with me for a little bit. Eric had some experiences when he was younger, which kind of led him down this pathway to start the podcast. Uncomfortable Podcast is very similar to what I do here on Tinfoil Tales. We got connected from a mutual listener, end up being his dog groomer, she reached out to me and found out that we were both from the same area. He's only about an hour or so north of me. And then within a little bit, we started communicating and got things going. Before we bring Eric on, if you ever had an experience you wanna be on Tinfoil Tales, just send an email to tinfoiltalespodcast.gmail.com. We'll get you scheduled on a future episode. You wanna help the podcast, continue to share it around. 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Eric, thanks for coming here and talking with me. Thanks, friend. You know, it's really cool that, I mean, we're in the same state, right? Only about an hour and a half away. Yeah, it was very cool that, I mean, my dog groomer, Joanna, somehow or another found your podcast. I don't know that she was looking for it, but I know she listens to these types of shows on a regular basis. I don't know if that just like populated her feed or if it went from one episode into one of yours. But she sent me a message and she's like, hey, have you heard of this Tinfoil Tales? He's from Indiana too. You should get ahold of him. And I was like, no, I had not heard. And, you know, the unfortunate part of the way things are now after the pandemic and how so many companies are running very lean without the number of employees that they had at one time. They just don't have the opportunity to put my earbuds in and listen to podcasts throughout the day, like I used to do constantly. I'm too busy for it now. I gotta stay on my game and I just don't get to listen anymore. So, I mean, even the ones that I did follow on a regular basis, I don't even, I don't listen to them anymore. And by time I get home, I really have the opportunity to just sit there and listen to something. And I'm not really one that can have something playing in the background. You know, it's, if I'm going to listen to something, I kind of have to concentrate on it because I'm listening to it because it has something interesting that I want to hear about. And if I'm just got it going in the background, I'm gonna end up having to listen to it again anyway. So, but yeah, I mean, it was really cool of her to, I think she said she gave my show a shout out in a comment or something on one of your posts. Yeah, she did. And then you popped in and followed me on Instagram and I followed you right back and we started chatting and here we are. We've done an episode that's gonna air as of us recording. It's gonna, my episode with you as a guest is gonna air tomorrow, Tuesday the 21st. And I believe you were moving around your schedule so that mine would drop roughly the same time, so. Yeah, this will drop probably a week from today. I've got, I'm moving some things here and there. I've got so many backlogged episodes recorded that I'm trying to get a lot of them released because they've been sitting around for weeks on end. And I kind of feel bad that people have recorded with me from back in like beginning of October. And I was like, well, that won't come out till January. So I'm trying to rush things up just to get some stuff caught up. Well, it's a great problem as a podcaster to have is to have a backlog. That is a very manageable thing. There are times where I have a ton of episodes in the bank and then there are times that get very lean and you find yourself going through what you thought were a lot tend to get used up pretty quick when you're releasing a show in a week. That's why when you said you were gonna possibly start doing two a week, I was like, I wouldn't do that, dude. Because when it runs dry, it runs dry. Yeah. I'm just attempting to do it just through December just so it gets caught up. So I've still got like 14 episodes scheduled to record over the next couple of weeks. So we'll see if they all come through. But if they do, I was like, I'm gonna have like almost 30 episodes sitting here. That's awesome. It's a great problem to have. Like you said though, I went months on end without having anything. I was like, well, I'm glad I had all these recorded because I can't get anyone to come on the show. But now it's like with Halloween and everything, it felt like I got bombarded by people. Yeah. Well, I didn't really take time off. I wouldn't say I was taking time off, but I did have to put a kind of a moratorium on the interviews for a while because September, I think it was September 10th, I hosted Bigfoot and Brews, which is a Bigfoot conference. That was the second year that I did it. That takes a lot out of you, the planning and getting everything coordinated and making sure that your vendors are there and your speakers are there. And everybody's got transportation. And then about a month after that, I did the 40 and airwaves, which I hosted over in Idaho, Ohio with a bunch of other great podcasts. And it was just, it was a lot. It was a lot. I knew putting 40 and airwaves on just a month after that was gonna be tight. I wanted to have some more distance between the two of them, but the name and the idea behind the event had leaked out and I needed to, I needed to, well, all the voices in my head that were telling me you gotta do this because if not, somebody's gonna make off with this idea and they're gonna do it before you do. So I pushed forward and we got it done, but it did affect my ability to do interviews during that process. So I did pretty much go through my bank. So I am now actively looking for people who have had experiences. So if any of your listeners have had an experience and like they share it with uncomfortable podcasts as well, please do so, reach out to me. Yeah, I definitely recommend everyone reaching out to Eric because he has a great show. You know, I think a lot of listeners would enjoy it. It's right up the same kind of alley that this podcast gets into. It is, you know, it's funny because I've noticed there's like ebbs and flows in that. There are times where all I get is Bigfoot. Then there's times where for a very big stretch here recently, a lot of what I've gotten are kind of the spiritual awakenings that people are going through, a lot of attachments and stuff like that. UFOs there for a while was kind of popular, but I think, you know, probably between the Bigfoot stuff and the spiritual end of things, those probably are predominantly the types of shows that I've had the opportunity to deal with so far. There's a variety in there, but it's just kind of weird how like when I get a Bigfoot show and it seems like I get three, four, five Bigfoot shows in a row. foot shows in a row. And I've actually got a big foot interview tomorrow episode that just came out last night was, uh, a big foot episode. I recorded that episode before he ever went on anyone else's show, but because it was sitting there for so long, he'd done other podcasts. I was like, well, I'm gonna hurry up and release this episode because it's been out on like four or five different episodes of different podcasts. So I was like, I don't want to have mine come out and seemed like it's a three months late. So see, and that's an interesting thing that you bring up because I've, you know, I've had a couple of people on that are, you know, well-known names. I've had Ron Moore head on. I've had Cliff Berrickman, um, I've had Mike Ricksecker, um, you know, there, there are those that kind of make the rounds, but the one thing that I've been really happy with and, and proud of is I've gotten a lot of people that nobody's ever heard of. These are, these are just normal people who are like, through whatever method they found my show. Um, it's funny because it's called uncomfortable, but everybody always says, you know, by the end of the show, I was a little leery at first because I didn't know what to expect, but by the end of it, you made me feel very comfortable contrary to the name of the podcast. Um, and it's, it's, uh, I kind of lost my train of thought there where I was going with that. Haven't guests come on that are. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Um, you know, that they haven't, they haven't been on five, six different podcasts, it's not the same story being retold and retold and retold and probably embellished a little bit and, you know, changed a little bit each time they tell it. So, um, I think that's what adds a sense of, um, maybe realism and not to, not to say that any of them are not real, but it may be a genuine quality to, to some of the people that I've, I've had on and, and I think it's kind of endearing to the, to the list, the listeners, because I do get messages from my listeners and, you know, more times than not, the ones that they do comment on are the ones that are just average Joe's who came on and you know, they had some, some weird stuff that was going on and they don't know how to, they don't know how to deal with it. They don't know how to explain it and they're looking for answers. So, I always tell people, if you want my opinion on something, I can give you an opinion, but I, I'm just a guy with a microphone. I don't know anything. Exactly. I'm a, I'm a voice that's, I'm giving you an opportunity to tell your story and, uh, you know, I, I've had, I've had people reach out to me, like really wanting answers to, to their situation. And, you know, I mean, I'm educated in a lot of this stuff because I've been into it for as long as I have been most of my life. So I've, I've learned a lot of things and you know, I do have some experience with, um, investigating haunted locations. And, but, you know, I'm not classically trained in any of this. I'm not, uh, I'm certainly not part of any, um, administration of any kind of church or anything that can, can give you any advice. I mean, all I can do is, you know, hopefully connect with you on a, on a level where I understand what you're, you're talking about, because I have in my personal life, I have experienced a lot of things that fall under this umbrella of high strangeness. And, uh, I think, I think that opens a pretty good rapport with, with the guests once they realize that I've, that I'm not just harvesting their, their story, that they can relate to me on, on a level because I've had experiences that told this day, I can't explain. So now I've actually been saying that to people that I've talked to recently that, um, there's a lot of podcasts out here doing the same type of things, but you can also figure out which podcasts are legitimate, like genuine. And the other ones are just doing it for the money. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, it doesn't take you long to figure it out. No. And I've been very hesitant to ever monetize the show because I didn't want it to seem that way. Cause it wasn't about me trying to make money or anything like that, but, but the cost of everything going up, I was like, well, if I can break even, I mean, I'm not like, I'm not going to retire from my job here and kick back and like, Oh, I'm a podcaster. That's not my intention. But I, uh, I agree with you a hundred percent on that because, you know, I mean, it, it took some, some pushing and prodding from people around me to move to actually, um, running ads on the show. Um, you know, yeah, you can do it and you can do it on a budget, but, and it's funny because this, this goes back to a good friend of mine who he and I had done a small podcast here locally, just for our local community, the local high school and sports and stuff like that. And, uh, he had been broadcasting, um, high school sports for a long time. And when I talked to him about the quality of the sound that we were getting using the equipment that he had, I told him, I said, you know, it's, it's barely better than listening to AM radio and he's like, ah, nobody gives a shit what we sound like. They're, they're here to hear us. And I'm like, no, dude, that's not, that's not it. If it's not listenable, if it doesn't have good quality sound, people are going to tune out if you make it difficult for them to listen to, they're not going to want to listen. And so that's when I started to really put a lot of thought into what kind of equipment I was going to purchase to keep this going forward. And, uh, you know, expensive mics, expensive, uh, recording equipment. Um, you know, you gotta have a damn good computer to be able to do all this kind of stuff, especially now with the, uh, the advent of, you know, things like zoom and Skype and Zen caster and stream yard and everything like that, you know, people are doing recordings of the videos and everything too, you gotta put some money into it and you know, it's, it's not something you can't overcome, but it is a drain on your, on your regular payday and, uh, so it was, it was difficult for me to pull the trigger on, on deciding to run ads and, you know, the one thing it's like, you can hit that little skip button and it doesn't affect whether or not I get credit for that ad running or not, if you hit the skip button, it still shows that is embedded in that episode. And, uh, you know, I, I get a, I get a small stipend off of it. Um, and you know, I've had people reach out to me and, and want to help support the show and other than, you know, I use red circle as my, uh, as the company that puts my show out to that's why I just Spotify. Um, you know, there's actually even a, a little donation tab in there that people can, you know, do a one-time donation towards the show or whatever, um, but you know, that's why I started doing Patreon and those are, you know, it's not for everybody, but it is for the hardcore fans of the show who want to help support and want to help make sure that this thing keeps going. And if it pays the, if it pays the internet bill, and if it pays to keep a lighter two on and, you know, in the event that, uh, some equipment wears out and you have to replace it, you have a, uh, an ability to do that, um, I don't think that that is at all disingenuous. You know, there is, there's a cost to everything nowadays. Um, but I understand what you're saying. There are those out there who are, um, just putting stuff out no matter what it is, you know, and you can't tell me that some of these, some of these episodes as some, some podcasts are putting out that that host can listen to that and say, oh yeah, this is a hundred percent, a hundred percent this, this is true. Um, you know, there's, there's some crazy shit out there and, uh, you know, I've had, I've had some crazy ones and, but there's always been something, excuse me, there's always been something that has been a struck a chord with me and I'll even go as far as this. I released an episode that it's, it's an insane tale, um, about a big foot experience and it was when he was a younger man. And I mean the, the, the amount of stuff that, that happened and, and the drama of, of the things that happened was just unreal, but there was a It's just unreal, but there was a certain thing that was mentioned multiple times during my conversation before we recorded. And then he re he again brought it up twice during the recording. And it was a very, it was a very telling thing for me. And you know, I mean, it, it's related to a form of physical abuse when he was a young child and it became very apparent to me that he had this need to tell this story. And my guess is that it stemmed in truth. I think he did at some point when he was a young child, see a monkey in a woods in mid Michigan. But the grandiose story that it became, I think, was a a screen memory that he was making to hide, hide this trauma that he went through behind. And in whatever way he was able to tell this story for him, I think it was him being able to get that off his chest and in his own way, he was telling everybody the truth because he hid that in, in a couple of comments, but he had to create this grandiose Bigfoot story around it. And, you know, do I believe every word he said about the things that he experienced with the Bigfoot? I can honestly say, no, does that make me disingenuous? Possibly. But when you understand that I released that episode, because I think that that was his kind of a cry for help, or he, if nothing else needed to get that off his chest, then I'm okay with that because everybody's got to have somebody to talk to, right? And so, no, I've, I've had a few on here that I've questioned myself, but I'm not here to try and disprove anyone or anything like that. No, I've had some people send out messages and emails and stuff to me that I can tell that what they're telling me is 100% not true, just from the ridiculousness of some of the things that they're saying happened. And I don't try and bring those people on or anything like that, because again, I'm not here just to, for someone to come up here and tell me a shit story. I mean, that's not what I do. Right. I had what I had one guy reach out to me via email and he actually reached out to me twice and I did not, I did not respond to him because I didn't know how to respond to him nicely. Um, he literally told me that he was some kind of, uh, ancient, uh, entity that had been around for thousands of years and his, his different incarnations of life, he was Caesar. He was Napoleon. He was a King Leonidas of the 300. He was, um, uh, he was the guy that sat to the left of, um, King Arthur. Um, which would have made him, uh, I forget his name now, um, Lancelot. It would have made him Lancelot. Um, you know, every, every flip in life that this guy had was some historical figure, uh, and I'm like, okay, if, if reincarnation is, is a thing. And I think it, I think it probably is, um, there's, you know, you're going to come back as, as a bomb. You're going to come back as Joe blow down the street who didn't do anything remarkable through his life. Not this guy. He came back as like seven or nine different historical figures. And I'm like, no, dude, no, no, you didn't. I'm sorry you didn't. Um, and then I had another guy reach out to me and, uh, this, this is legit, um, because I did, didn't waste my time and, and dig into to see if this was even, uh, real. And it was, um, this guy had actually been on Howard Stern's show years and years ago. Um, but this guy in the, in the seventies as a college student down in, I believe, I believe it was Florida, um, ended up having a, a sexual relationship for a good time. Uh, a good long time with a dolphin. And he, he wanted to come on and talk about his sexual experience with this dolphin that they were in love. And I think he even said in the, in the email that they had had, um, intercourse with, you know, like in six different positions and she loved him and it was, I mean, my brain is trying to process. Yeah. But there's this guy actually exists and he, he was on Howard Stern and talked about it. And, uh, I mean, yeah, the name of my show was uncomfortable. Um, but it's not that kind of uncomfortable. And, uh, you know, it's like, did you, did you vet my show? Did you, did you listen to anything? That I've put out that would have made you think that you having sex with a dolphin would be something that I want to want to talk about. It's certainly not. Um, it would definitely be uncomfortable, but yeah, it would definitely be uncomfortable, but in a entire different, uh, entire different light, weirdly enough with the random sex thing with dolphins. This isn't related to dolphins. But, uh, I was checking my email earlier and I get these updates from people looking to come on podcasts. And I had one for air force Amy, who was the sex worker for that TV show, cat house out at the bunny ranch. I was like, why would I want her on the show? I mean, unless she has some things to talk about. I mean, sure. Whatever. Maybe she's got, maybe she's got ghost boobies. Maybe the, maybe the bunny ranch was haunted. Who knows? Maybe, but that was one of those, the first person that popped up in there wanting to, like for looking to come on the show. I was like, uh, I don't know. That's crazy. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm a hundred and roughly 150 shows into it. Um, I've been pretty consistent one show a week. Um, I do some, uh, I do some videos, you know, since, since the regular show is just audio only, um, for my Patreon. I'll, I'll provide them with a video. I do some uncomfortable afterthoughts where I do a video, um, talking about a specific episode and maybe some things that happened in the background that nobody knew about, or some updates, uh, from a certain, a certain show, and then I do a series of, uh, a little uncomfortable, which are, you know, probably 10 to 15 minute long shorts about, uh, some of the things that have influenced me throughout the years, you know, certain things that I've heard of and, and looked into that I just can't shake and have stayed with me for, for a long time. So, um, I tried to change it up for them and it's, it's been a lot of fun. It is, uh, it is something that I, I had no, you know, I mean, to be honest with you, you know, I was, I was super gung ho at the beginning of it and I was really excited about it and I really wanted it to turn into something, but in my mind's eye, um, I was, I was very real with myself and I used to tell myself it's like, man, if I make it past episode 10, you know, I I'm going to be lucky and, uh, and never, never dreamt that I would have the kind of, uh, the listener base that I do and, uh, you know, I have a discord server. We started last January and, you know, I got a great, great group of people in that discord. They, they keep, uh, they keep it pretty lively. And every once in a while we'll do a campfire chat in one of the, uh, voice channels on discord. So, you know, we've had upwards of 25, 30 people in there and we just hang out for a couple hours and talk about weird stuff or, um, you know, whatever's whatever's in the news, whatever's in the, in the weird news of the week, we, uh, we cover that and it's been a great time. It's been, uh, feel really fortunate that I'm able to do this. Cause this is, you know, I've, I've said this before, um, you know, I, I was an only child, so, you know, there was a lot of pressure on me by my parents when I was growing up, I didn't have anybody, a brother or sister that paved the way before me. So I was the only one. Um, so I was always staying out of trouble. I was always doing the right thing. Always had to have good grades. And then, you know, like I ended up getting married and everything I did, I did for my wife. And then we had kids come around and now everything I do, I'm doing for my kids and my, my wife. And, you know, it took until I was 56 years old to end up finally doing something for myself. And I love it. It's great. If I could do this every day for a living, that, that would be the best. I mean, it's just, uh, it's a very satisfying thing to me. And when you have a good conversation with somebody that's, that's another thing, you know, like the art of conversation has, it's lost on a lot of people. You know, everybody's too worried about, you know, sticking their head in their phone or their device. And you know, you gotta, you know, I pay attention. I think this stems from when I was a bouncer, uh, years ago, but I'm, you know, the number of people that will not look you in the eye when you're having a conversation is staggering to me. And I mean, I, you need to look people in the eye when you're talking to them. I mean, that's, that's, that's basic communication skills. And, uh, you know, that's, that's kind of why I'm glad, you know, like the advent with these zooms and, and Zen caster and stream yard and stuff actually being able to see the people that you're having a conversation with, um, to me many times it, I think getting, I think it enhances the conversation when you can see who you're talking to. Um, now that being said, there have been a few times that I would rather have not seen who I was talking to because, uh, it's, some people, some people don't know how to have a conversation. And when they're looking into a camera, they freeze up. And, and I think it causes them more stress and anxiety than, uh, than it was intended to, but yeah, I've been debating on using the camera portion for this, but because the videos get made by an ultra red circle, I used to use RSS and that you did everything itself too. So there was no reason for me to make extra videos. So you don't ever see whoever's on the other end of the video call anyways. And a lot of people I've come to find out, don't want to be videoed. Yeah. They don't, they don't want their faces out there. Sure. You have that. And then you have just the, the, or, um, or internet signals, you know, sometimes I mean, I've, I've had to resort to, you know, talking to people just simply on a phone call, um, but you do what you have to do and, you know, you try to clean it up and post and editing and, and try to apply filters and stuff to make it sound better than, than just a phone call. But sometimes that's the best you're going to get. So, um, definitely doesn't take anything away from the, the story, but going back to, you know, the sound quality, we all strive for having a very good sound quality because we want people to be able to listen to it easily. So, yeah, I've been going back through my old episodes when I first started and I've always said I was not ever a podcaster. I didn't do anything about podcasting. So me trying to start interviewing people was definitely, uh, I cringe now listening to the earlier episodes because it was just so, uh, awkward for me. I feel like now after 60 something episodes, uh, recorded a little bit better at it, but, uh, we all grow into it for sure. Um, you know, that, that awkward stage because in the beginning you're, you're dealing, you know, I mean, this was for your listener. You may not realize, you know, we've got recording levels that we have to make sure are right. We've got, you know, to make sure that, you know, the record button got pressed or, you know, there's a, there's a number of things that we have to keep track of during a conversation while we're doing an interview that, you know, a lot of people probably don't take into consideration is going on behind the scenes. And, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, there's a lot to it. Right now I keep having to mute myself because my two year old is upstairs running and it sounds like a tornado is wrecking the house. So every time you see my little mute, that's because he's stomping through the floor. There's a little trick. Yeah, there is definitely. And if there aren't tricks, you learn quickly how to adapt and overcome. No, that's the thing I've had to figure out on the fly, especially since I started recording down in our basement is we talked about a little bit ago, I've got a furnace to deal with. I've got kids upstairs. I've got dogs, the dogs like to start barking randomly. So I have to try and mute myself. So it's, I don't want to spend all this time trying to edit it out. Like just remove it instantly. Right. You know, I mean, uh, my kids are grown. I've divorced since, um, I live alone. I got a dog and he's a great dog. He's a golden doodle. Absolutely love him to death. But one of those little tricks that I had to learn was that his collar that has, uh, his tags on it whenever I get into a conversation, and I am not paying attention to him, he will come into the studio, sit down and he will insistently keep scratching at his collar to make the, the tags on it jingle. He does it on purpose because he's trying to get me to pay attention to them. So whenever I do a show, I got to make sure I take his collar off ahead of time or else, you know, 20 minutes into it, you'll start hearing jingling in the background. So it's, it, there's, there's a lot of things that you got to that goes into producing a good sounding podcast. The, that is, that's very true. Strangely enough, I came home last week from work and I have two dogs, I have a boxer and I have a German shepherd. Somehow the shepherd, she had three tags. She had her name tag with our phone number on it and she had two rabies tags because we just left the old one on there and she got her another shot. We just left, put the new one on there. All three of those were just laying on the floor. She still had her collar on, but she somehow managed to rip off the little ring that had those onto it. So I don't know how she managed that, but now I come on to discover that there that is like, how in the hell did you rip those off? Well, what made you, we'll get down to nitty gritty of it, what made you decide to want to start the podcast? Like what was your inspirations? What did you experience that kind of led you to the path you're on now? All right. Let me preface this by saying that, you know, I've, I've gotten pretty comfortable about talking about this stuff. Um, but when you just let it all out in a one giant paranormal vomit, um, it, it is, it still kind of makes me weary of, of other people's perception of me because they're going to be like, there's no way this guy had all of this crap happen. Um, but I've had, you know, uh, a lifetime of no, it's not on a daily basis. It's not once a week. It's, you know, it's spread out throughout my life, but I've had a number of experiences with a number of different things. And my parents were never the kind that would try to quash that in you. You know, they, they, they didn't, they didn't tell me, Oh, you know, you're being silly that there's no such thing. Um, you know, they, they weren't on the sidelines going, yeah, yeah, keep talking about weird shit. You know, they, they weren't that either. Um, but they did let me entertain the idea behind a lot of this weird stuff. Um, you know, I mean, I was obsessed with UFOs by the age of five. We didn't, you know, I'm 58 in, in 1970, we didn't have streaming services. We didn't have a million books on the subject. We didn't have YouTube videos. We can go watch anything. We want to do about UFOs. So, you know, it's, it's strange and don't get me wrong. I'm not saying, Oh, I was abducted or anything like that. They just find it strange that I was that captivated by that topic. So much so as a child that, you know, when my dad or my mom would take me to our local mini mall or whatever, you know, and we had begged to go to the, um, the bookstore and try to find something about UFOs. Um, um, grade school, you know, I was checking out the, there was this book, I wish I, I know I have it somewhere. Um, but the first time I ever saw it was in the school library. Half of the book was the front cover where it was about Bigfoot. And then halfway through the book, the type and everything turned upside down. So you had to reorient the book and the back half of the book was about the lack, the Loch Ness monster. Um, you know, and you know, I got into the whole Bermuda triangle and all that stuff. And I was just captivated by this stuff. Um, you know, Bigfoot to me, the, the first, the first time I ever saw Patty was black and white photograph in this book. Um, it wasn't until a short time later that I saw, uh, I think that was in 77 when in search of came out with a Leonard Nimoy where they actually showed the full 54, 50 seconds of 56 seconds of the Patterson Gimlin film. And you know, it granted I was, I was young, but I've always been a fairly intelligent kid. And I never once looked at that film and felt anything that wasn't organic. And it never felt like a guy in a suit. I never, I never looked at it and, you know, had that opportunity in my, in my mind to like pick it apart. And you know, well, this doesn't make sense. And that doesn't look right. And that's gotta be a zipper. And that's, you know, I never had that. It was always very organic looking to me. So, you know, for me, I'm very open to this stuff and I'm not a gullible person. I'm not prone to hallucinations. I'm not one who makes up stories. I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not a bullshitter. So, you know, the things that I tell you tonight are things that literally happened to me. And you know, whether they were a strange group of coincidences that happened or whether there was something more to it, you know, you know, I guess, I guess the thing that like solidified for me, that, that ghosts, and I don't even know if that's necessarily the right term to use, but maybe let's say the, that people, people in our life who have passed and are no longer physically with us can still interact with us. And my dad, my dad was hit and killed by a car when I was 21. And here's a cautionary tale for all you kids out there. He was drunk and he tried to walk home across the four lane highway. So you got Uber, you got Lyft, you got any number of ways to get home. Don't try to walk when you're drunk across the street. That's stupid. That being said. So, you know, I went from having a mom and dad at 21 to boom overnight. Oh, I have my mom and that's it. And the thing that was strange about it was I had always been under the impression that like he, not he, but a spirit or a ghost would reach out immediately. You know, like it would be almost something that was simultaneous with their, their dad. And in my case, it had been several months, probably, probably getting close to a year from the time that he passed. And he had, he had a birthday in July, and I had just gotten my first really good job. I was making decent money and I bought him a Mariner's crucifix out of gold and a chain. Mariner's crucifixes. It's basically like Christ on a cross. Only it was on an anchor because they always had a boat and he loved boating. And after he had been killed, I got all of his belongings, you know, his pocket knife and his wallet and the necklace and everything. And I started wearing that on a, on a regular basis. I wouldn't take, it did not take it off. And I started notice that because the, the chain was kind of like a rope and I noticed that I was starting to get like, lint and like stuff from blankets and stuff from sleep and we're getting caught up in the, in the rope. And it was kind of breaking some of the strands. And so I decided I needed to get a new, a new chain for it. And then I decided I was going to start taking better care of it. So I stopped wearing it when I would take a shower and stop wearing it when I'd go to sleep. And one day, one day I got up to take a shower, went into the bathroom, took the necklace off, laid it on the sink, on the countertop and got in, took my shower, got out. And it was gone. And I was like, ah, shit. So I started immediately like looking at the big terry cloth towel towel that I had and thinking that the corner of the anchor had gotten hooked on the terry cloth or something. It was just going to be hanging there. And it wasn't. And I looked down on the floor head and dropped on the floor. And I started to retrace my steps and I thought, did I take it off before I came in here? And I knew damn well I stood there in front of the mirror and took it off. And then I looked at the sink and I was like, so I went out in the garage, I found a plumber's wrench and I took the gooseneck off the sink thinking surely it, I knocked it off, it slid down the thing and it was going to be sitting there in the gooseneck and it wasn't, it was gone. And I was like, Jesus, what the, you know, then I really started questioning myself. It's like, did you have it on? Are you sure you took it off? You know, could you have left it someplace else? And months, months went by, never found it. And, uh, it was, it was the, it was the middle of summer. I had been going to the beach a lot. I had a really nice tan going on and, uh, I wanted to, I had a date that night and I was getting ready. So I wanted to wear my, my very nice button down, white button down shirt because I figured it'd show my tan off. Uh, funny how vain we were back as kids. And, uh, I went to put the shirt on and as I was button in the top couple of buttons, the top button popped off. And I was like, shit. And that caused me a lot of anxiety. And the reason it caused me a lot of anxiety is that one, I did not realize that my mom and dad were pretty much only together for me towards the end of their, the time that he was alive, their marriage had kind of disintegrated. Um, and you know, not to throw any shade at my mom, but she had, she mourned my dad. She was sad about it. And you know, she, I think she missed who he was when they were fully in love and everything was great and wonderful. Um, but like many people do after the death of somebody or after a divorce, um, you kind of, you kind of get struck with the ability to the knowledge of being able to go out and kind of sow your seed, right? So she had met another guy and was starting to spend a lot of time at his house. And like I said, it's been about a year. And, um, so when she started spending a lot of time, not at the house, I closed the bedroom door to my mom and dad's bedroom because there were still pictures of him. And I did not have a good, uh, a good relationship with death. And I didn't want to see pictures. I didn't want to get emotional. I didn't want to deal with any of that stuff. Um, but underneath that bed is where my mom kept her sewing kit. So the anxiety that I had when the button popped off, I really wanted to wear that shirt. So I was going to have to sew that button back on, but I had to go in that bedroom to get the sewing kit. And so I walked down the hallway and I took a deep breath. I opened up the door and immediately as soon as the door opened up, there's a picture of me and my dad on vacation in Traverse City, Michigan. And I was like waiting, just anticipating that, that emotional blood and it didn't happen. And I was like, okay, I can do this. That's, it's not that bad. So I went in, I sat down on the, on the bed and, uh, there was a dresser with a mirror in front of me and I looked in the mirror and behind me on the wall, um, kind of over my right hand shoulder was a picture of my dad's military photo and it was black and white. But back from in the early sixties where they would send these pictures away and there would be like this, um, pastel color that they would add to it to kind of make it look like a color photograph. But it was, um, it was odd. It was, it was not like a color photograph. It was like somebody airbrushed pastel colors onto it. And, uh, so I'm sitting there and I'm looking and, and my dad's face from this military photograph is looking at me in the, in the mirror from over my right hand shoulder. And I took a couple of minutes and kind of just kind of let myself start thinking about good memories, you know, and, and you know, it was a little emotional, but, um, by and large, I mean it was a good experience and, and I was, I was happy to have been able to do that without just because I hate being emotional. And, uh, I took a few minutes and just kind of looked around the room and, you know, took it all in. And, um, so I reached under the bed, I pulled out the sewing kit and I set it up on the bed beside me, threaded the needle and, and I, um, so the, so the button back on and there was a, there was a side table beside the bed and it was this ugly ass round. It was three tiers that had three legs and it was just, you know, maybe a little bit bigger around than a pie pan, but it was just this ugly ass wood side table. And, uh, my mom would always get pissed at him because he would go to bed with a, a glass of ice water or a Coke with ice in it. And he'd never, ever, ever use a coaster. So he always would leave this glass sitting on this wood and she'd always get pissed off because the next day there'd be a white ring on it. And, uh, I looked over at that table and that, that necklace was sitting on that table and it was sitting in, uh, about a three and a quarter round white spot that had drops of moisture. And I looked at it and that was like, okay, I get it. You're still here. You're still around. You know, I picked it up and I took my hand and I wiped the table and it wasn't a lot of water, but it was definitely enough that I could feel it on the palm of my hand. And I just kind of sat there and rubbed my fingers across my palm and just kind of rubbed it in and there would have been no way for it to been wet. What are there? No, because at that time she was not living in the house anymore. It was just me. I didn't have any brothers or sisters. I didn't have anybody living with me, nothing. Um, so yeah, it was, there was no way. So, you know, that was, that was a big one for me. And, uh, they move on a little bit. I don't know exactly how long, but you know, it was within a couple of months of that. Um, I had, I had decided that, you know, being 22 by now, I was, I was that important that I need an, an answering machine in case I ever missed, you know, important phone calls. So I went to one of the early big box stores. I think it was called ABC warehouse and I bought myself a, uh, a cordless phone. My first cordless phone, which was a Cobra brand. It was about the size of a regular size handheld phone. Um, they had to pull this long ass antenna out of it and it had a cradle that it would sit into charge. And, uh, I bought that and I bought the answering machine. And, uh, I had only had it for maybe a week and, uh, but my mom was still living pretty much full time with this other guy. And at about two o'clock in the morning, the phone rings and immediately my heart drops because getting a phone call that late in the night, that early in the morning is never good. Right. So I'm like, Oh God, something happened to my mom or, you know, they answer the phone and I said, hello. And I hear this voice, which was a hundred percent my dad say, Hey boy, for the majority of my life, while my dad was alive, that was my name. Boy, Hey boy, it's time to go cut the grass. Hey boy, help me wash the car. Hey boy, what are you doing this weekend? You know, I mean, it was, I can't ever remember hardly ever him using my proper name to talk to me. It was always, Hey boy. And I don't, it wasn't a, it wasn't a disrespectful thing or, you know, trying to make me feel little. That was, that was just his, that was just his name for me. And, uh, so I hear on the phone, Hey boy. And I kind of pulled the phone away from my face and I looked at the phone and I looked around the room and I looked at the clock. So I know that I was awake. This wasn't a dream. It wasn't a lucid dream. It wasn't this, this was happening. And I put the phone back up to my ear and like the old dial tone phones or push button phones that were landlines, when the call would disconnect, you would hear, eh, eh, eh, eh. And that's, and that's what it did. So I, I put the antenna back in and I, I set it back down on the cradle and as soon as the phone hit the cradle, the phone rang again and I picked it up and I was like, hello. And it's a woman's voice. And she says, is everything okay? And I said, excuse me. And she goes, is there anybody in the house that shouldn't be there? I was like, who is this? What, what are you talking about? And she says, is anybody in the house that shouldn't be there? And I said, ma'am, I said, it's, you know, after two in the morning, I was dead sleep. Nobody else lives here. No, there was nobody else in the morning, in the, in the house. And she goes, can you please get up and check? And I'm like, who is this? And she says that she is a, um, uh, I think she was a Sergeant with the South Bend police department. And I'm like, what is this about? And she goes, we just received a nine one one phone call from this phone. Will you please make sure that the house is secure? And I'm like, you just re just got a nine one one phone call. So, you know, I got up, I had a handgun at the time. I'm walking in my skivvies. I got the phone in one hand and I got a, uh, my nine millimeter in the other. And I'm walking through the house and everything's locked up. The lights are all off. Nobody's in any of the rooms. You know, the garage door is closed. Everything's locked up. I'm like, ma'am, there's nobody in the house. I said, I've been through every room. Everything is fine. But she said, okay, well, you know, it, it's our policy that if we receive a nine one one call and the call terminates before we're able to answer it, we call back. And initially we want to make sure that somebody understands that, you know, if there is somebody that shouldn't be in the house, you can answer yes. And that way you're not having a conversation about it. And so they can overhear it. And I'm like, I understand that. But I said there, there was no nine one one call from here. I said, I'm, I was literally asleep. I mean, I certainly wasn't going to tell her that I just got on the phone with my dad, dad. Um, and then she goes on to say that, do you have a cordless phone? And I said, yeah. And she goes, well, sometimes those will dial nine one one on their own. I had never heard of that before. I've never heard of that. I don't know that anybody else has. Maybe that was her way of just like making me trying to make me feel at ease or, or whatever. Um, so, you know, I get, I get off that phone and then I am, I'm wide awake. You know, the rest of the, the rest of the night, I'm just laying there thinking what the hell, what happened? You know, the, the cops calling with a nine one one return call, that was bizarre in itself, but nowhere near as bizarre as hearing from my dad. And you know, I, I thought about it for years and years, and it hasn't been until these past couple of years that I kind of put together, you know, maybe a formulation of what, what happened. He was hit and struck by a car while he was walking, um, traumatic and probably in the state that he was in being drunk, probably didn't realize it was going to happen and possibly took him by surprise. My mom was no longer living in the house. Was he checking on me to see that I was okay? Did he feel like not only did he abandon me, but now that my mom was gone, that I was alone and I needed needed help or was he or was he put back into a time where that accident happened and was that nine one one call from my phone from him because he needed help at that point when he was hit by the car, you know, was he, was he trying to, was he trying to figure out what was going on with him? I don't know that that. And then shortly after that, um, I met the woman that I was going to become engaged to and end up marrying and she lived with me here in the same house for some time. And while I was a bouncer, one night I called her to see if she was going to actually come down to the bar or she was just staying at the house and her response to me was, no, I'm just going to sit here and continue listening to the symphony. And I was like, what? Cause neither one of us listened to the symphony. And she said that like all the pots and pans in my mom's kitchen, it sounded like the shelf broke and all the pots and pans just were banging together and, and making a God awful noise. And I was like, really? I said, I mean, did the, did the old cabinets finally give away or what? And she says, no, I went and opened it up and everything was sitting stacked up nice and neat, just like there always were. She's like, I have no idea. She's like, I think it was your dad just messing around. And you know, so she was experiencing it. And uh, throughout the course of the time that we lived together here, um, I, I would like to try to help with housework, right? So, you know, I didn't, she wasn't always the one doing laundry. And uh, but laundry was an area of contention because she was always, she was always bitching at me because I wasn't doing the laundry, right? You know, I wasn't separating this, right? I wasn't doing this, right? I wasn't using the right temperature. I wasn't putting the colors in with this and that and the other. So, you know, again, I decide I'm going to try to be nice and, and pull my load. So I took a basket of laundry down to the basement where the utilities were. And uh, she was going in to take a shower. And uh, so I got down there and I was literally, I had two baskets. One was full, one was empty. And I was pulling anything that was white or light colored and putting it into the one basket and anything that was even remotely had any kind of color to it. I was leaving it in that because I was going to make sure I separated and the phone rang. So I ran upstairs, answered the phone. It was in the kitchen and it was my mom. So I talked to her for maybe 20 minutes and got done, hung up, went back downstairs and every piece of clothing, towels, underwear, socks, everything that was in those baskets had been strewn across the basement. It was everywhere. Just like a little kid got in there and just took it and started whipping stuff out of the baskets. And I immediately immediately got pissed off because I thought it was my fiance had gone down there and just had a shit fit and threw everything around because I was going to do the laundry. And I came upstairs again and I stormed into the bathroom. I opened up the door and I, you know, yelling expletives and all that stuff. And I'm like, what the hell, you know, I'm just trying to do the right thing and, you know, pull my load and do the 50 50 thing with you. And why do you, why do you have to be such a shit and go do something like that? And she pulls back the shower curtain. She looks out at me and she goes, what are you talking about? She had been in the shower the whole time. I live in a brick house. It is was built in 62. It's nothing new, but it's not like we had open, um, uh, areas like under the house, like a crawl space or anything like that were squirrels or raccoons or anything could get in. I mean, it was a solid foundation under the house. There was no broken windows or anything that it could have been a wild animal that got in there and decided to just throw the clothes all over the place. Um, it was, you know, those, those types of things went on for a while. And, uh, my mom had kind of ran her course with this, this other dude, and she said she was going to come home. And you know, that, that was kind of, obviously it was her house, but it was kind of a problem for me and my fiance. We were like, we don't really want to live with my mom. So we decided we were going to move out and get an apartment together. And, uh, I had been on a semi pro paintball team for, for several years. And, um, I got a bunch of those guys to come help us move out of this house to the apartment. And one, one guy in particular, um, he was funnier than shit and just incredible sense of humor. I had a King size waterbed that was a pedestal waterbed, you know, it had like a three or four drawers underneath it. And then I had like a crawl space in between it where you can hide shit. And, you know, I had this big fancy headboard and stuff with doors and windows in it. And, um, so we had been working at the house quite a bit of the day and he showed up and I said, Oh man, Barry, I need you to help me take apart the water bed. So he's like, all right, man, that's cool. So we come into the room that my water bed was in and we start taking it apart and we got about halfway through it. And, uh, and Barry says, he kind of looks at me and he's like, Hey, um, so I'm going to help you finish up this water bed and get into the truck. And then I'm going to go over to the apartment and I'm going to wait for you to come with the truck and I'll be there all night, however long you need me. But he's like, I need to get out of here. And I'm like, dude, that wasn't the, that wasn't the deal. You know, I need you to help. And he's like, no, I can't do it. And I'm like, what's the matter? And he's like, you know, and I'm like, no, what? And he's like, and you know, we were, we were both on our knees. We were both working on getting these brackets off the bottom of the bed. And he just, he just kind of looked up towards kind of like, towards the ceiling or towards the ether or whatever you want to call it. And he's like, you know, and I'm like, Oh, no shit. I said, you can tell. And he's like, yeah, he's like, I mean, it's cool, but he's like, I just really don't want to, I don't want anything to do with it. So I'm going to help you get this done. And then I'm going to see you over at the apartment. So, you know, there were a number of people that were like feeling, I don't know if you're feeling the effects or feeling the presence of, of this stuff going on, you know, so that, that was a, that solidified for me at about the age of 22 that, um, you know, they, they can, they can still reach out. Um, I, I was, I was, I was surprised that it didn't happen immediately if it was going to happen. Um, you know, so that's, that's raised a number of questions for me in that. Why, why did it take so long? You know, was there, was there a intermediary time where you're like, uh, limbo is usually has a bad connotation to it, but you know, are you kind of in limbo and then at some point do you reach a point where you're allowed to reach back out? Um, once we moved out of the house, nothing, nothing followed the, uh, to the apartment. And when my mom came back after a couple of years, I asked her, I said, Hey, have you ever had any weird shit going on here? You know that, you know, you might be freaked out about her. And she said, never had anything. And I've never had anything that pointed towards him ever again. So, you know, it was, uh, it was not immediately after his death. It was for a period of time, but it wasn't a prolonged period. It wasn't something that I dealt with for years and years and years. You know, it might've been the better part of, you know, maybe nine or 10 months in that neighborhood, maybe a little bit longer, maybe a little bit shorter. And then it was done. It was gone. And you know, I mean, that raises a lot of questions. It's like, you know, did, did he finally get to where he was supposed to be? Was he not there when, when the stuff was going on? Do they have an ability? Uh, are they allowed, uh, a certain amount of time to be able to, to reach out? Uh, you know, do you have to, do you have to go through a clearing process of, you know, uh, dealing with, you know, your maker or whatever is on the other side. Um, and then you're, you're given that, that gift, that ability to, to reach back out. Um, I don't know. It certainly, it certainly was enough things that happened that, you know, coincidence didn't really fit the bill. And, you know, especially with the chain, um, my dad had a bit of a twisted sense of humor. So, you know, the pots and pans, the, the clothes in the basement, um, all kind of made sense, you know, to, to his personality. Um, but you know, that, that was a, that was a solidifying moment for me. And I never, I never really gave a shit about anybody that didn't believe me, you know, I'd talk about it. If you don't want to hear it, leave, I'm talking about it. Um, you know, I certainly do understand the people that, um, shy away from talking about this kind of stuff because they're getting eye rolls or because, you know, they're afraid people are going to talk behind their back. Oh, so and so is crazy or, you know, he's full of shit, stuff like that. That never really, that never really affected me. Um, you know, when I was about 13, 12 or 13, um, my, I was telling you before we started recording, you know, this my, what is my studio was basically a mother-in-law suite that my parents built onto their house for my, for my grandmother. Um, at the time my grandmother was alive and that afforded my parents like a built-in babysitter basically. So they would go out on the weekend, um, the dinner or bar or whatever they were doing. And my grandma would be here to, you know, keep an eye on me. And, uh, you're, you're from central Indiana. So you might, you might be too young to remember this, but, um, he's actually still on, on TV, on, uh, antenna cable. I think it's me TV, um, out of Chicago, it was a show called, uh, Sven Gulley and now the son of Sven Gulley does the same thing. And basically it was a creature feature or, you know, a horror movie on the weekend late at night, like 10 o'clock. And this Sven Gulley guy would do like commercial breaks and he was goofy and he had ghoul makeup and he would make stupid jokes and stuff like that and make dumb commentary on the movie that was playing. And then they would go back to the movie and I can remember I was, I was laying on the living room floor in a prone position with my elbows underneath me. And, uh, we were, I was, I was watching some creature feature movie and my grandmother was sitting in a chair in the living room, smoking her cigarettes like she always did and doing the crossword puzzle in the TV guys. And, uh, it was getting close to close to 11 o'clock. It was summertime. The door was open. The windows were open, screens, the screens were in and we live pretty close to the South bend regional airport. So it was not unusual to have planes coming in and you would hear them as they were getting low because they were on descent for landing at the airport. And I just remember this like really long, you know, the Doppler effect, you hear something loud and it's way away and it's soft and it gets louder and louder and louder. And when it's over you, it's at the loudest point and then as it moves farther away and starts to, um, to drift off again. And I just remember looking back at her and I said, God, that the plane's been going over for a long time, hasn't it? And of course she was engrossed in her TV guide and her cigarettes. And she mumbled something to me and, uh, like my neighborhood lit up in the brightest light imaginable. It was so bright. And the weird thing was that it, I don't remember like squinting, but it was just, it was brighter than daylight. It was brighter than the clearest day. No clouds, pure sun. It was brighter than that. And I can, I can remember I got up off the floor and I walked to the, the picture window in the front room and I'm like, grandma, what's going on? And she said, I remember she said, Oh honey, it's probably just a storm. Get away from the windows. Excuse me. And I'm like, it's not a storm. There's no, it's not raining. It's not lightning. It's, it's daylight. And, uh, I can remember standing there and looking out across the street and it was so bright that I could see the, like my best friend's house was the back of their house faced our front of our house on the block behind us, you know, like my neighborhood, the houses were set where, you know, there's a decent amount of space between each house. So you could see the house behind it was kind of off centered and more in that opening. And I can remember looking over at my best friend's house and God, God love her. Their mom had was an alcoholic and at one point when we were young, she drove through the back of the garage. She was, she was leaving, apparently leaving to go get more booze. And she put the car in drive and drove right straight through the back of the garage into the backyard. No Jesus. So when that light was hitting the neighborhood, I could see the difference in the sighting on the back of their garage from where they repaired the damage from that hole. And then I remember looking to the house that's to the, to the left across the street, Mr. And Mrs. Dale's house. And they have, they just had these huge oak trees in their, in their yard. And I can remember looking and seeing in the backyard of their house, I can see the telephone pole with the, um, the transformer on it. And that's when I noticed that like, I could see the underneath of the, the leaves, like the inside, you know, normally even on a bright day, you know, the outside of the leaves has the sunshine and on it, but the inside of these leaves, the underneath of the leaves in the, inside the canopy, I could see the inside, the backside of the leaves, there was light everywhere. Nothing cast a shadow. That's a, that, that was the, that was like, why does this look so weird? And it was because there was no shadow from the light coming outside the leaves. It should have created a shadow in the underneath of the canopy and it didn't. And I just, And, um, I just, it's so strange that I, the amount of detail that I remember from how bright that was. And I remember looking up at the eaves trough, um, where the gutters, the overhang is. And it almost, it almost was like if you had Christmas lights on your gutters, but they weren't hanging down far enough to see them. But the lights were so bright that you could kind of see the, the glow from each light, when I looked at the, the eaves trough, the, the overhang, you could almost see like a yellowish tent and a bluish tent and a reddish tent and a greenish tent and like every color imaginable, but you could not see the light source. The light source had to have been way above us. And I finally, I looked to the right and it's hard to explain, but I could see, I could see darkness outside of our neighborhood, but I could also see like the roofs of the houses and stuff were all lit up, but it seemed like I was seeing past where the light was and beyond where the light was, it was still dark outside. And then just like that flip of the switch, my, my grandma walks up to me and she grabs me by the arm and she pulls me, starts to pull me from the window and if she does, I turn towards where the street light is. Um, I live like basically right around a curve and there's a street light there and it's one of those dust to dawn ones. And as the lights went out and it went back to being black, she grabbed my shoulder or my inside my arm, pulled my shoulder and I saw the light, the street lights start to flicker like it was coming back on. So whatever had happened, it was bright enough that it shut that light off. And as soon as it went back out to immediate darkness, it was flickering to come back on. And the next morning I got up and I couldn't wait to tell my parents. And, uh, I woke up and I could hear them in the kitchen. I walked out in the kitchen. My grandma was sitting there. All three of them were sitting there having coffee together and my dad and my grandma were smoking their cigarettes and I'm like, Oh my God, you're not going to believe what happened last night. And I go and I tell the whole story and I'm like, tell them grandma, tell them you were sitting there. You saw it. And she, she just says, Oh honey, I don't know. I don't know what that was. And she like, I was so pissed at her. I, I loved her to death. She was a great grandmother, but I, at that moment, I was so pissed because she basically threw me under the bus and would not, um, she would not like fess up and, and, and corroborate my story. And, uh, so it, that happened on a Friday night, Saturday morning is when I told her, you know, to tell my parents. And she was like, no, I'm not just not saying anything. We only got the newspaper on Sundays because my parents were cheap and they only got the newspaper on Sunday is because that's when all the store ads would be for the, for the next week. And then I can remember walking out of the kitchen, down the hall to them, to my bedroom. And my dad says, Hey kid, here's your fucking UFO story. And I was like, what? And he, he read me this like three or four line little byline in the South Bend Tribune that said residents of Holly Hawk road reported seeing lights over Claffey's field Friday night. Holly Hawk road is right outside my neighborhood and Claffey's field is where all the kids would go and play pickup games of hot box or football or, you know, whatever we were playing at the time, that there was like a one acre plot that he never plowed. And it was just weeds and that's where we would go play. And so there was a little bit of confirmation that the house is right outside my neighborhood that we're facing due West or I'm sorry, due East across Claffey's pond, Claffey's field had seen lights, unusual lights over that. So, you know. Have you tried to go to the Tribune and get like an old copy of that? I have. And they don't have it from back then. I didn't know if they kept things like that that far back or not. Nope. They had, they said that they, you know, years ago they would have had it, but it, with the advent of everything pretty much going digital. Now that the, the storage for that just wasn't, just wasn't available. I did at one point and I want to say that it was MUFON, but I could be wrong. It could have been a different collection agency. I did find something that was very similar, but the, the, the thing that was stupid about it was it did not have a specific day or date. It was, it was a, it was a generalized report. And so that didn't really help me out with anything. Funny enough years later, this was probably six, seven years ago. I was on a pool league. I would go shoot pool at various different bars. It was like a traveling league. And I started playing with this one team and I wasn't seeing anybody. And, and one of the wives of one of the players said, Oh, I have a friend of mine that lives down in Florida. I think you guys would be a good fit. You guys should exchange numbers and talk because she has been talking about moving back home here to South Bend. And I was like, yeah, hell I'll talk to her. And we, we started talking, chatting quite a bit, and it looked like she was going to be moving back to this area fairly soon. So I thought, you know, invest some time and maybe have somebody to date when she gets back up here. And at one point in the conversation, she asked me, you know, like, what kind of stuff are you into? And I said, I like watching ghost shows. I like watching UFO stuff. And she's like, have you ever seen a UFO? And I told her the story that I just told you. And she was completely silent. And I was like, no, no. All right. There we go. Here's another one out the door. And she's like, Oh my God. She said, I swear that this is the same story that my brother told me. And I said, really? And she said, yeah. And when I asked her where she lived, she literally lived due east of me, almost down the same. If you like, we have a state line that's right. I live right by the state line of Michigan. If the state line would continue to go due east, instead of having a neighborhood that's in the way of it on the opposite end of that neighborhood is where her and her family lived when he saw that. So, I mean, it winds up, his age was about the same as mine. And it was basically the same, basically the same story. So, I mean, to me that there was some confirmation of it. It was that kind of confirms everything for him. Yeah. You know, so I had that. I mean, I had some, some other stuff and you know, like aside from the thing with my dad, the things that I've experienced, I've, I've said this before, it's like I've experienced them kind of on the periphery. I don't really feel like, again, other than the thing with my dad, I've been, I've been able to notice it. And I don't know if that's because it wants me to notice it, or if I'm somewhat more attuned to it. I don't, I don't know. Um, I don't profess to have any kind of gifts or powers or anything like that. That's, that's not what I'm getting at. Um, but I have always been very open-minded. So I wonder if, I wonder if I was just more, um, more attuned to it when it would happen. And rather than trying to replace it with something that made more logical sense, I was willing to accept that it was weird and unusual. Um, it's just been, you know, and then there were some other things, um, you know, I mean, You know, I mean, I could go on for another hour and a half about some of the things, but those were like the, those were the ones that really kind of put me into not necessarily on the path to do this podcast, but to, to look, to look further than just ghost adventures or, you know, finding Bigfoot or, you know, ancient aliens. I've really dove deep into a lot of these topics and probably have done a lot more research than, than your average Joe does even with a moderate interest in these things. You know, and at a point I told you, I was doing that small local podcast for the local community here. And my co-host wasn't able to, to do a show one week. And I thought I'd take it as an opportunity to do a show that I wanted to do. And I contacted a, a local paranormal group and we did a show about ghost hunting and, you know, all the things that go along with that and what kind of equipment and, you know, what the protocol is. And it went pretty good. You know, it didn't lose any listeners. And then a while down the road, I wanted to do a show about Bigfoot and my buddy is a, he's a lifelong hunter, my co-host. So anytime I ever talked about Bigfoot, he would just roll his eyes and, you know, just completely would not, would not entertain it at all. And I found a couple of guys that were, they wound up, they wound up being two really terrible people. But they had done a lot of boots on the ground research in the state of Michigan, as far as Sasquatch is concerned. And it made for an interesting show. And I could remember my co-host was sitting beside me and he, he, he would like, during the conversation, he would just mouth the words to me. He's like, how on the F do you know all this shit? You know, because I was, I was bringing up, you know, historical accounts of them and, you know, the Bowman thing and, you know, all these different historical recollections of these creatures. And he was, he was honestly astounded at how much I knew about it. It wasn't just, you know, finding Bigfoot. And, and the show went really well and we got done with it. And he said to me, he's like, you know, he's like, I've known you for a long time. We coached football for a long time together. And he's like, you're not a, you're not a wagga dude. You're not a, you're not a crazy dude. He's like, and, and that really bothers me because he's like, I spent a lot of time out in the woods. I've never seen anything. I've never had anything happen, but he's like knowing you and how down to earth you are and how, you know, how solid of a guy you are. If you, if you can believe in something like this and have as much to talk about that you feel is credible evidence about the existence of these things, he's like, you kind of making me rethink, you know, some of the things that I have come across while I've been out hunting. And it wasn't too long after I started, I think it was my episode two and three for uncomfortable. I ended up in interviewing a husband and his two daughters and he had had one walk out in front of him on opening day. And this was about nine years ago during the time that they were working the land, it was public land and it was near a swamp. It was, it was about a mile and a half off, off the beaten path. He would go back and he would do a food plot and he was doing all kinds of stuff, you know, shooting lanes and cutting down, cutting down the branches for clear shooting lanes. And he was finding weird stuff. And I ended up going to his house to do the interview with him and his daughters. And I got to sit straight across from them, watched their eyes, watched their physical movements, you know, the whole time we were talking and there was no bullshit. There was no bullshit at all coming out of that family's mouth. And the really strange thing about it was they would go to this property and when they would get into the area where they hunted, they basically had, they basically had four tree stands that surrounded a swamp and he was, he hunted the same party all the time. It was him, his dad, his brother-in-law and a family friend or a cousin. I can't remember what the fourth guy was. And they all had a tree stand on different edges of this swamp. And he said when they would get back there to kind of clear the area and clean things up and, you know, kind of make it ready for the upcoming season, he said they'd go back there and they'd find these trees that were broken off that were like, part of it was pointed down to the ground, but then there would be these other branches that would be leaned up against it. And he said, it almost looked like a picket fence. And he's like, because that area was so swampy, we would go and we would collect all those sticks that were leaning up against the broken saplings and we would take those and we'll lay them down around the outside edge of the swamp so that it gave us a little bit better footing and we wouldn't be sinking down into it. We kind of, you know, the twigs and the branches kind of formed a platform. And he says, then we'd come back two or three days later to do some more work. And he's like, they would be back. But now instead of just one fence, there was like, that one was put back and then there were two more, you know, 15, 20 yards apart from each other. And he's like, they were both, they were all broken the same way and they were all had tree limbs leaning up against them. And then he said his daughters were with him. And he said the one daughter yelled for him to come over and she was standing underneath a tree and about 25 feet up in the tree on a branch was laying the mangled carcass of a deer. And he said they had found a long enough sapling to reach up and push up on it. And they were actually able to get part of it to fall down. And the part fell down was the hindquarters of the deer. The daughter said that on the hind quarter, on the hind leg, you could see almost like if you took a log of Play-Doh and you squeezed your fingers into it really hard, you could see the indentions of where the fingers were and that bone between those fingerprints, the finger indentions had been broke. So, you know, they basically were saying that something had applied enough pressure with what looked to be hands that snapped that bone. And then the other girl kept complaining that she kept smelling something bad. And she ended up, they had some weird stuff going on. So he said to his daughters, you guys just kind of hang out here, keep an eye out for anything going on. He's like, I'm going to do what I have to do here. And if anything happens, call me. And, you know, he was within eyesight and he was just focused on, I think he was working on the food plot at the time. The other daughter says, dad, come here. And he walked over and he walked up to a pretty sizable tree. And she's like, what is this? And he said, when I first looked at the tree, he's like, there was this foam that was on the side of the tree. And he said, and there was a puddle of water down at the bottom, at the base of where the roots are going into the ground. And he said, it smelled to high heaven. He said, it was very musky smelling and just, just almost thickened the air when you, when you took a breath. And he said, Thickened the air when you when you took a breath And he said he's standing there and he's like he's like I'm 510 and he said the beginning of this wet spot on the tree was I level to me and he said I quickly you Realized that the foam that was on the tree was the foam that is produced when you urinate and he's like Whatever pissed on this tree or the the wet spot to start at You know roughly five foot five That either had a hell of a stream going from from down to weigh up the tree or Or whatever pissed on that tree was considerably taller than anybody else. It was on the woods You know, so and then They ended up having issues at their homestead where they lived which is About 15 minutes north of me on the very outside edge of the city limits of a small town in Michigan The daughter saw one One morning while she was sitting in the truck waiting for her dad to come out and get in the truck to take her to school it walked right in front of the Walked right in front of the truck said it was so Close to the front end that the headlight didn't even really shine much up onto the torso or anything It really pretty much just illuminated The thigh and the hip area, but she said it dipped its head down and looked at her straight in the eyes Through the windshield and She freaked she freaked out she flipped her lid and started screaming and the dad Opened the door to the house coming out to the truck and she looked towards the light when the door opened From the inside of the house and then when she looked back it was gone He got in the truck and she's screaming. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Come on. We got to get out of here Let's go. Let's go and he's like You're gonna be fine. We're not gonna be late, you know quit what happened. So They pulled out of the driveway and drove about half half the street down before she actually told him what had happened, so he whipped around and Went back to the house and There was nothing there. They didn't they didn't see anything. It was late November they had had a couple of hard freezes and No snow on the ground. So they didn't see any prints or anything, but Yeah, she She saw it and then her sister Had gone out to her car One night and there was a there was a separation between the two The their house in the next house over there was a separation of maybe like five yards of of trees and scrub brush that kind of was like the dividing line between the yards and She said she had gone outside had her dog with her and Walked out to the car. She was unlocking the passenger side door to get something out of the car And she said she noticed a pair of amber-looking eyes Looking at her from within that five yard wide swath of trees And she said she lifted her phone up. She didn't turn the camera phone or the camera flashlight on But her screen had illuminated and she just held her held her phone up. So like the light from her screen And she said when she lifted that up, she said those eyes Started to raise up and she said they just kept raising and raising and raising and she's like whatever it was Was like slowly Standing upright. She's actually never saw anything other than the eyes and she Grabbed that dog and they ran back into the house told her dad get your gun something's out there and They didn't see anything that's the one thing about when people describe seeing glowing eyes, I can't process the Glowing eyes part like yeah, I understand I shine like if you're reflecting a light But what would make something's eyes glow from within right doesn't sound natural It sounds would be like more supernatural and something. Yeah, absolutely 100% But but you know, I mean so again You know, I mean, like I said, I always believed in Patty I always believed that that was a that was a real thing now I've watched a lot of YouTube videos. There's a lot of bullshit out there and when you get into the this kind of stuff, there is a ton of shit that you got to weed your way through and You got to you got to have a really good gut about you because you know, there's some pretty good hoaxes out there But you know, there's there's those those few every once in a while that really strikes me Organically, and those are the ones I think I think her that they got something But you know, that's that's just continually fueled my interest in stuff and you know when I When I finally our little show kind of fell apart And and I told him I said hey, let's take a break from that and I'm just gonna try doing a little side project and you know, I think I said this earlier You know if I really didn't believe I'd get past ten episodes You know, I thought it'd be a fun thing to do and probably just a flash in the pan But at least I could say I did it and you know hundred and hundred and fifty episodes later and In the top 1% of the podcast in the world, which is You know still out of 2.8 million active podcasts in the world being in the top 1% that's still that's still 80,000 Podcasts that you're you're in the top 1% with but you know, that's that's a that's a pretty good accomplishment and You know, it just it's been a it's been a great ride You know, it just it's been a it's been a great ride I've been having a ball with it and You get to talk to a lot of a lot of interesting people you've I don't know about you but you know, I've I've developed relationships with some of the guests that I've had on and I've developed relationships with some of the the people that listen to the show, you know, they reach out to me on Instagram or Facebook messenger and you know, I'm always hearing from somebody so It's been a it's been a fantastic thing. And like I said earlier, I think Having been open to and Having experienced some of these things Translates into me being able to Relate to my guests on on a level of yeah, I've experienced some weird shit, too I don't know the answers to it But you know, we can we can talk it out and and see what we can come up with. So Mm-hmm. That's kind of what I said when we first started talking was basically I Feel like there's people that actually had experiences and those are the ones that are more legit to Be more genuine and then you got the other ones that are just out there Rift in their way trying to make money off people You know and I mean You know you You can go to a small farm market and you know, they're they're selling their stuff for you know what they've got into it They're not looking to make money. They're just trying to sell their stuff and then you go to a grocery store and the prices are astronomical, you know you so I mean You know everybody's in business for whatever reasons they're in for and and I don't know if that's good bad or indifferent, but It does seem like when you're in a position like what we are If you really start pushing that You know, I'm selling I'm selling shirts. I'm selling hats. I'm selling coloring books. I'm selling you know It does At some point, you know, it becomes a business and And I don't know that I would be able to continue to have To have the the drive or the desire to talk to people if it had turned into just a business You know, maybe if I was making a shit ton of money ahead, maybe I could be completely wrong You know, I might be like yeah. Hell yeah, bring it on. You got abducted by Venetians. Yeah. All right. Let's hear it You know, I mean money talks, right? but I've been able to I've been able to walk away from every one of my shows and After that's aired and I'm proud of them and I think at the end of the day day, you know, as long as you're, as long as you're proud of what you're putting out and, and how people are reacting to it. Okay. I don't have, you know, 2 million followers. Okay. But I'll tell you the people that do follow me and that listen every week, they get their money's worth. They're, they're, they're getting, they're getting some good content. And you know, I remember reading an article early on and they said the, the, the sweet spot for a paranormal or the sweet spot, the sweet spot for a podcast in general should be in the neighborhood of 45 to no longer than 60 minutes long because you lose people's interests. They, they can't, they can't hold their interests that long. I can probably count on one hand, the number of shows that I've had that have been only an hour long. Um, mine go 90 minutes to two hours very frequently. I've had, I've had a couple that go two and a half, almost three. Um, if the conversation is good and there's stuff to talk about, then, you know, I don't see any reason not to, not to put it out. I've only had one that went for three hours and I think I said maybe like five sentences the whole episode. That, that would be difficult. That would be a difficult one. Cause I enjoy the conversation and you know, I've, I've had one person, um, one person left me a review on Apple podcasts and said, I can't stand it the way you interrupt people. And it's like, if you want to listen to somebody, just recite their story, go listen to somebody else. I'm here for the conversation. My questions I've never for a, maybe my first two or three episodes, I had a list of questions and I quickly learned that better questions come from the conversation. So I basically, I might have a notepad in front of me that has some notes about who you are, where you came from. Um, you know, something that I might use in my intro or whatever, but every one of my interviews is completely off the cuff. I do not sit there with a list of questions that I am going to answer. And then as soon as you answer it, I'm going to move on to the next question. My questions come from the conversation and I think that's more organic. And I think it's more, um, at times with certain guests, I think it maybe kind of puts them on their heels a little bit because I don't think they were expecting to be asked those questions. Um, but I've also had some guests on that. I've asked those questions. They've obviously been on a comfortable, uncomfortable by me asking them, but we ended up finding out some more information that they didn't even realize would have been pertinent to their story. So I mean, everybody does things their own way. And this is, this is my way. Yeah. I try not to interrupt too much because I've noticed if I do it kind of derails their train of thoughts. So that is, that is an issue with some people. Um, but you know, I mean, I don't ever just like step on somebody and just like try to monopolize it. Um, it is like, Hey, hold on a second. Let's, let's go back to what you just said. Um, you know, and I think I did that with you when you were on the show. It's like, let's go back to when you saw this thing and try to give me a better description of what it was. Um, because if you don't ask, you don't know, right? Yep. So you'd mentioned something I've been thinking about this way. We're talking and I didn't want to go back to interrupting, but you'd mentioned the TV show with the creature feature, whatever. The thing I remember was Sammy Terry. That was what we had around here. I think he's still around. He makes appearances here and there. He dresses up in like a burgundy ghoul looking outfit and he has like green face paint on and everything. But his thing was like Sammy Terry, like a play on the cemetery. That's awesome. No, I never heard about that. That must've been maybe out of the indie area or something. He was, this guy was out of Chicago and he was, he was in a black top hat and a black, uh, like tuxedo, but his face was painted up like a ghoul. Yeah. This guy had the green paint on. He wore like a burgundy looking outfit and it had like the, he didn't have hair or anything because of burgundy went around the top of his head. But, um, I was terrified of him as a kid. Well, was he like comedic? I don't really remember that because I remember every time he came on, I would hide. He used to have like a monster movies. That's where I used to watch Godzilla movies. I don't like channel 29. Hell yeah. And, um, that's what I always used to watch. I'm a huge Godzilla nerd. Oh man. You, me, my son, uh, have you watched it? The Monarch yet on, uh, on Apple TV. I watched the first two episodes with my four year old and my two year old the other morning. We watched the first episode. We haven't watched the second one yet. Uh, but yeah, I'm a huge Godzilla nerd. My son is worse than I am. Uh, one of my, uh, cool stuff. One of my tattoos, a big Godzilla, even though now it looks like a big green blob. It didn't, over the last almost 20 years, it hasn't looked properly. No, I want to get it redone. So it looks a little bit better, but I've said this for years and I've never done it. But now I'm, uh, I remember from like when I was two years old, my uncle rented a Godzilla 1985, the American version of it. And, uh, I was afraid of it at first, but then I watched it. And I just, ever since I guess I was two, I've been a huge Godzilla fan and on my two year old Pluto TV has a Godzilla channel that streams all the old movies 24 seven. Yeah. And, uh, he points to it and that's what he wants me to turn on. And he sits there and roars at the TV and stomps around like he's a monster. That's awesome. You get yourself a little kaiju. Yeah. Um, it's funny because you talked about, you know, hiding, when he would come, that guy would come on. Uh, Christopher Lee to me was like the hammer films, the best Dracula that has ever been. And I, for some reason, I really gravitated towards hammer films out of the UK, Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee, they were in just about every movie and they always played some other character. But for the Dracula movies, Christopher Lee was always Dracula and Peter Cushing always played Van Helsing. And, uh, I can remember being a little kid watching this, like during the daylight hours, you know, like Saturday afternoon or whatever it was. Um, but at the end of one of the Dracula movies, um, Christopher, Christopher Lee gets trapped outside this castle and daylight's coming. And basically he gets a steak through the heart. And then the sunlight hits them and he just disintegrates into dust. When that scene would come on, I would go and literally hide behind the living room chair and look out from behind the arm of it. So I could still watch it with one eye. I don't know what the hell the chair was ever going to do to protect me from Dracula. I would be sitting there behind the chair, still watching it with one eye, but not both. And, uh, so when you said about, about hiding from that guy that threw me back to that, that was, that was a good old days. Yeah. My parents would always, uh, have it on the TV. And then he was actually here in Peru a year or two ago, or maybe it was 2019. I think it was right before COVID. Yeah. And, uh, it was right around Halloween. And, uh, they sent me photos that they were up there with my, uh, older kids. They took them up there and they'd seen him like, Oh, your favorite persons up here is like, yeah, I remember him. I don't, I honestly don't think it's the same guy. I'm pretty sure the original guy's probably dead at this point, but the same character and the same, the same with the guy in Chicago, it was one guy and he went by the name Sven Gulli. And then this guy that does it now was kind of like, uh, a protege of his. And so he adopted son of Sven Gulli. And, uh, and he's still doing it, and it's been years and it's still the same shtick, you know, making fun of the movie, saying corny lines, uh, you know, they might show like a 32nd clip of the movie and they replace the lines with words they're saying, you know, to make it sound silly or whatever. No, I don't remember if he ever did anything like that. I just remembered he would pop up every time it would go like to commercial and get ready to go back on the show. And this guy always had a rubber chicken. So that was the rubber chicken was like his co-host or something. I almost reminds me of mystery science theater. If you go goofy with it. Yeah. Kind of kind of in the same, in the same vein. I remember watching that as a kid a lot too. I actually they had new ones come out a couple of years ago on Netflix and I watched those. I did too. And you're making me feel old because you say you watched him as a kid. I watched him as an adult. I was born in 84. Good Lord. I graduated in 82. I get ready to turn 40 here in February. Yeah. That was a good time for 40 and the forties were good. Like I said, I'm, I'm 58 now. So, uh, it'd be like, it'd be nice to have a couple of those years back, but everything's good. I said, uh, with having four kids and the pages that they are, I feel like 40 is a, I'm about to be hitting like 80. Just wait till your body starts aching and your bones are creaking every time you get up, you'll, you'll think you're closer to 80 then. Yeah. But I'm getting out of bed in the mornings aren't as easy as they used to be. They, uh, we had family photos yesterday and I noticed that I had one big, long white hair in my beard. So consider yourself lucky. I've got one or two dark hairs left in my beard. The rest is white. I've been fortunate though, the hair on the top of my head, I got a little salt and pepper on the sides, but the top of my head has stayed nice and dark. So haven't had to turn to the Grecian formula formula yet. I'm starting to get the salt and pepper brushed in here and there in the hair line. But the one in my beard was just, it was super long and super white. And I was like, well, clip this one off just because I told it looks odd compared to the rest of it was like one white hair. But well, I think we've went on about two hours now, so we can probably wrap this one up a little bit. Yeah. Like I said, there's, there's a number of things I didn't even touch on, but uh, it is, it has been an interesting, it's been an interesting life. I mean, when I, when I go back and look at the, you know, I went, I went ghost hunting with my kids. Uh, when ghost adventures was first, maybe it was even when it was more ghost hunters than ghost adventures. Um, we went to a local cemetery and, uh, you know, I had the long talk with them, you know, this is people's final resting places. You're here respectfully. You don't, don't walk across the graves, walk in between, you know, let's just see what happens. And we had cameras and we had, um, recorders and stuff like that. And we were out there for a couple of hours and you know, I've talked to paranormal investigators who have never caught anything. And we went out there and in two hours, I got a photograph that was of like, uh, um, you're familiar with Motley crew, obviously your metal guy, um, theater, a pain album, you know, those theater masks that are hanging on the front cover. Um, I got a picture of what looks like a, um, a skull mask in the, in the wood line around the outside of the cemetery. My son got a very clear EVP of what sounded like an older woman saying, you don't belong here. Uh, not in a threatening way, but kind of like in a, in a old, um, authoritarian kind of, it actually said you shouldn't be here. Um, kind of like not, not scary. Like you shouldn't be here. It wasn't anything like that. It was just kind of like an older lady, like an older mature grandparent or something telling you, you shouldn't be here. It's not your place. Um, and then I got a photograph that was like this weird mist and, and there's a shape to it. Um, so inside of two, and then my daughter and I, we captured a an orb that literally manifested in front of us and we got that on video. It just came out of nowhere. It was a little bit smaller than a golf ball. It was pretty much white, but it kind of had a bluish halo around it. And it zipped around, um, kind of did a figure eight or couple of figure eights and then poof, it was gone. And we got, actually got that on a camcorder on video. Um, so inside of two hours we got like a ton of stuff that was like legitimate evidence. And it wasn't a firefly that was flying around in front of us lighting up, you know, it was, it was bizarre. And, you know, I've talked to several people who go on investigations a lot and they're like, typically when they hear about people that do capture a significant amount of evidence without a lot of effort, it's because whatever I've got going on, it tends to show itself. And I don't know if that's true, but looking back over the lifespan that I have had experiences with weird and unusual, um, it kind of makes sense. Like I said, it's always seems to be on the peripheral, um, more like, Hey, we're here. Hey, it's here. And if you notice it, you notice it. So I don't know. I've always been, uh, skeptical growing up. Like I watched the monster movies. I've watched all the shows. I've watched all the alien stuff. I've, I've always thought aliens are real and I don't care. Everyone can think I'm crazy, but I don't see how the universe could exist and we were the only life forms on it to me that never made any sense. Absolutely. But, uh, I don't think they're coming down here and probing butts and everything else. Like did the, some people want to tell you they do. I don't see why you travel trillions of miles and light years or whatever, just to come down here and harvest someone's farts. But that's whatever. I think that's, uh, kind of what you talked about earlier. I think that's the cover to the traumatic events that people had that this is the manifest to cover what actually had happened. But, um, no, I, um, I feel like I'm open-minded to an extent, but I've always just been more of someone that always tries to write it off rationally. I look for the explanation to things. So maybe that's why I don't notice as much. I've noticed some things here and there, but I said this recently on an episode and I think this was back probably in September because the episode had just come out recently, but I'd walked to the bathroom and I swear I heard my daughter say, Hey dad. And I'd stopped. I was like, what? She looks at me all confused. I was like, what, what did you say? She's like, nothing. Like, did you not just say, Hey dad? She's like, no. And gave me like the preteen I roll angst of you're dumb. Like what's your problem? I was like, all right. So I went on down the hallway to the bathroom. I was like, the back of my mind is like, I know I fricking heard her say my name or say, Hey dad. But I don't know. Again, I don't take stuff like that as paranormal as well. It's strange, but I don't know what it would have been. It's kind of weird. I don't know. I've people have talked about this doppelganger thing, like where you hear or see people and they're not really the people that are there and like interact with those things. And someone had told me before I've had an interview about it, but I'd talk to the person and they didn't want to come on the show, but they'd talked about how they'd came home and thought that, uh, forget if it was their dad or whatever, someone was in the house. I thought the person was in the house and the person came in after they'd already had a conversation with the person. I was like, ah, that sounds strange. How would you have a conversation with someone that the person wasn't there and then they show up and they weren't there? I was like, God, I'd be getting the frig out of the house because if that's the case, if I had a conversation seeing somebody and the person came back in and they part, that doesn't, my brain can't process that again. Like how can you have a conversation with a person or how does it take the shape of a person and then turn into not really being that person to me? That's weird. But, um, there's a lot of weird things out there. There are a ton of weird things out there. And the more you dig into it, the more you find out that behind that there's even more. So, no, I don't think there's any, any lack of a lack of material for us to work with in this, in this genre as far as, as far as podcasting is going. Oh, and speaking of that, uh, this won't be our first, uh, venture. I know there's some stuff on the horizon that you and I are going to dig into. There's a specific topics here and there that, uh, I've been dealing with. And you've also been doing some research with it as well. So I think we're going to have some collaborations coming out here eventually, probably sometime next year. Yep. Looking forward to that. Yep. Looking forward to that. Yeah. I've got, uh, I've got some people that I want to try and see if they'll come on and talk about it as well. But I think once I get everything kind of figured out that way, we're not just beating a dead horse with it and bringing in some new ideas and new perspectives to it. I think it'll be a good thing. Yeah. It's, it's definitely something that, uh, it's definitely something that is, is a, it happens a lot. I mean, there, there are a number of people who have experienced this and there is no good explanation for it. Um, and there has been, excuse me, there has been some data collected, um, by, by some people that, uh, there, that points to specific times of the year, specific months, uh, specific times of the day, uh, when these things are, are noticed and it's, it's, it's, it's a strange, very strange, very unusual. And from like person that I just recently talked to, uh, there's some scientific data and, uh, intelligence behind them as well. Really? So that'll be interesting to hear. He's been doing some research and he's trying to bring it more to, uh, he's studying for PhD at something, but he's trying to bring more mainstream to it. And a lot of mainstream won't look into it right now, just because it's a kind of a taboo situation. You don't want to put your name on something right now. Right. But eventually hopefully it'll bring more eyes to it. Yeah, that'll be fun. I look forward to doing that. But yeah, I think we can, uh, wrap this one up, but I'd like for you to again, let everyone know where they can check out your podcast and where they can talk to you at. They have one to come on an episode or how they get ahold of you. Absolutely. I am the host of uncomfortable podcast. You can find me on Apple, Spotify, any of the major platforms that wherever you get your podcasts, um, uncomfortable as a name, there are several out there. So I would suggest if you just in the, in the search feature of whatever app you're using, search uncomfortable, followed by the name Eric E R I C K. That'll bring you right to the, uh, very recognizable logo for the show. It's black, uh, with a white letters. Uh, it's a large, uh, lowercase U uppercase N and underneath it, it says comfortable. Um, like I said, I'm on all the different platforms. If you're interested in talking to me about your experience, you can contact me at contact.uncomfortableatgmail.com. Uh, you can follow me on Facebook and Instagram, both at uncomfortable podcast 65 and, uh, hope to hear from you. It's been a lot of fun. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you too. It's been a pleasure. It has been. Thank you. Yeah. I think we're going to roll it out. So thanks for listening.

Erick: Good night. Remember the truth lies in the stories we share,

Brandon: the connections we make, stay curious, stay open-minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone.